http://runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=cyprusmete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...smete

Feel free to leave comments, but only back up arguments with facts.

 

cars were made to run on gas

the combustion cycle of the car runs on fuel...

but hey honda already has a car that is under devlopment to run on hydrogen.
the honda FX clarity and if they can successfully do it then more power to the people.. id buy one but not for a long while.

 

The idea is that you are breaking up water into hydrogen and oxygen, which are two of the most combustible substances on earth, and using it as fuel. Since they also make up a good portion of our atmosphere it is also more available. They run spaceships off of liquid hydrogen. Why not cars?

I'd assume the cons would be how dangerous it would be depending on the setup and method of producing hydrogen because getting into a crash with a liquid hydrogen tank would most likely go kaboom. Also gasoline works as a lubricant in certain ways too. Something that hydrogen can't replicate. Lots of new expensive technology!

Feel free to correct me on any of this rambling.

 

These systems are constantly frowned upon by all the hypermiling forums. Essentially what this system is doing is creating a different hydrogen/oxygen compound generally referred to as Brown's Gas. This compound is indeed combustible, but is terribly inefficient as the resultant potential energy is but a fraction of the required energy used to create it, and it's volatility isn't enough to offset any significant gasoline usage.

Another issue is that there seems to be a complete lack of hard evidence supporting the claims of virtually everyone who says they've improved their gas mileage with this type of system. I've been researching things like this for months and have yet to find anything solid. 99% of the posts claiming drastic improvements on the hypermiling forums turn out to be someone trying to promote their own website selling this kind of thing.

 

^Add to that, that people who do this have the mentality of saving gas so they will take it easier on the pedal so they can advertise their "improved" gas mileage.

 

Adding a small amount of hydrogen to the combustion charge does improve efficiency. However, you first need the hydrogen. Generating the hydrogen with electricity from the alternator is not feasible because it will take more energy to dissociate the water than will be recovered during combustion.

I'm moving this to Tech/Misc. Perhaps BigMoose will chime in.

 

Wow this is great information but very hard to put together a concrete answer. I am not looking for one, and will be looking forward to hear more from you guys about this matter.

 

Dogginator nailed it. I was listening to this on our local radio station and there was an actual scientist there that conducted the experiments in the station to reach a logical conclusion. Basically the alternator doesn't have enough current to create the amount of nitrogen needed to adequately fuel the car.

 

Dogginator has an engineering Ph.D. in his credentials. LOL

 

Some have said that the addition of hydrogen causes the gasoline to burn more completely and quickly releasing more of its energy to effect a better power stroke than to simply heat a bunch of water and gas going through your radiator and exhaust pipe. Therefor, you are no longer simply recombining hydrogen and oxygen into water, but, you're making your 20% efficient car engine 20-50% more efficient than it already is by adding a catalyst to the fuel charge. It's good to be able to monitor exhaust gas temperature and have control over fuel and ignition timing as well as being able to alter the signal coming from the O2 sensor to compensate for the extra oxygen coming from the "Brown's Gas".

 

This is how you run an engine on water. No hydrogen. No HHO. No "Brown's gas".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crower_six_stroke
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The engine cold starts on the Otto cycle, coasting through the fifth and sixth strokes for a short period. After the combustion chamber temperature reaches approximately 400 degrees Fahrenheit (200 °C), a mechanical operation phases in the fifth and sixth strokes. Just before the fifth stroke, water is injected directly into the hot combustion chamber via the engine's fuel injector pump, creating steam and another power stroke. The phase change from liquid to steam removes the excess heat of the combustion stroke forcing the piston down (a second power stroke). As a substantial portion of engine heat now leaves the cylinder in the form of steam, no cooling system radiator is required. Energy that is dissipated in conventional arrangements by the radiation cooling system has been converted into additional power strokes.
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I was extremely skeptical of these setups.Two of my friends have been plying around with it with some measurable success.They have it installed in a carburated jeep with a manual 4.0l six.In a three hundred ish mile loop they've managed about a four mpg increase using a browns gas generator (about 15%).You can see the draw on the alternator and they have modified the device to keep from loading it to much.
I would guess that the increase on a developed engine/car would be much less. But for a bolt on setup with about $100 invested it was well worth it. On efi engines people have some devices to help fool the map and o2 sensors so no remapping is involved.I really think someone is going to get this to work in the mainstream market eventually.