Which one would you pick for track/street duty? And why?

 

I have the Koni\GC combo and its a great street\track suspension. A little firm for the street, but its soft enough at the track so that the car isn't jumpy when you hit bumps.

I talked to somebody with the PIC setup and he said its mostly for track cars.

 

PIC for sure... Best suspension hands down for the money, call up PIC an talk to them, real great guys and helpful. My votes on PIC

 

depend what koni your comparing the pic too... pic is great bang for buck...

but i think koni race hands down much better shock than the pic

 

Thanks guys! I'll probably go with the PIC since the price is similar to the koni/gc setup. BTW do you guys know of a vendor that has these in stock in cali, so I can pay with cash.


Modified by uratom at 9:58 AM 8/11/2008

 

if you get them mind if i fun run your car at one event i can help with setup and teac a lil bit

 

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Sorry for the confusion, but this is actually my friend's account. I am planning to go rr, and I wouldn't mind to taking you for a ride if you happen to be there.

 

I would go with koni GC.

I have never owned PICs, but some other taiwan coilovers, and they're just not comparable with koni....

 

Koni all the way. They are made in the states, service in the states, great people work there and most important, Lee is the man!

 

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Honestly, I think you're making a mistake if you go with PIC. Yeah, they are nice for the money and I'd definitely own them over Teins and other mid-line coilovers, but many, many, championships in Club racing, SoloII, etc have been won with a Koni/GC combo.

And Konis are 100% upgradable, rebuildable, etc. Koni knows a ton about what they do. And the shock is the most important part of any suspension setup.

 

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You better check your information if you are going to pass it out. Actually they are Dutch made, however they are still the best dampers of the three choices.

 

I just don't like the idea of sacrficing travel to lower ride height, and thats why I am leaning towards pic's.

 

Koni's have more stroke than Pic's

 

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Okay...... I just stated that the pics like many other aftermarket company has incoporated the independent lowering adjustment without tampering with travel or preload. Unfortunately for the koni/gc setup, you would have to adjust the spring perch to lower the vehicle which shortens travel(stroke). Don't get me wrong I am in no way a suspension expert, but I have been an ASE and California certified smog/auto technician for 6+ years now. Not to mention being in the modify game for 11 years.

 

koni/gc set-up. if you can do it get the koni race shocks. amazing dampers, and you wont sacrifice travel with the shortened race shocks. or just get the regular koni's and get the GC extended top hats. easy problem solved for around the same money as the PIC's...

i dunno, having the ability to rebuild/revalve the koni's is a huge plus.

and as has already been mentioned before, the history and success of amature racing on the koni/gc set-up is unbeatable.

whatever you choose, have fun

 

PIC- They are great for the track and cost effective we raced on them for over 2yrs. If you need them we got them

 

One thing to consider is availablity. If you blow a coilover, your stuck buying another one. Blow a Koni and its ~$100.

 

Thanks for the more detail responses guys! Since you guys are running the koni/gc setup, what kind of spring rate would you recommend?

 

I've always hated the fact that the taiwanese coilovers i've owned were short traveled shocks. They were bottoming out everywhere (track) even at the highest possible set up....

No problem with the konis and elongated top plates....they're so good, i can't believe the price they sell today. They used to be much more expensive...

 

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OK, so what that means is that PIC's have even less stroke than I thought. Because any space that is being used for this adjustment mechanism is space not being used for oil and piston. Although I suppose it could be handy that the height adjustment doesn't mess with the preload. Maybe PICs can lower the car more than Koni's because the body is shorter, I don't know. In any case, it seems the main difference between PIC's and Koni is monotube vs twin tube.

 

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The stuff Richy and most other road racers run is all made in the US

 

ive got pic selects on my hatch, love them, not for the street tho (high spring rates) seem well made, bang for buck i dont think much would compare.

 

I just put Koni Race shocks on my 2500 lb EG, and am headed to the track this sunday. I took off some high dollar mugen coilovers. I can post back my impressions.

BTW, dont' gert travel versus droop mixed up. the konis have like 8 inches of travel, but you cant really use it all, unless you have a lift kit. my car is pretty low, and I only have about 1.5inches of travel left (before hitting the bump stop) with the car sitting still. if I jack the car up though the wheel hangs down really far, but that's all wasted "travel" if you ask me...

 

Honestly...most of the people on PICs haven't truly been on a good set of race valved and shortened Konis (or other quality suspension), so they really don't have much to compare it with.

Take a lap on a set of Taiwanese coilovers, then a lap on a good suspension (Koni race, 2812's, etc) and the difference is night and day.

Again...nothing against PICs as they are very good for what they are. But until I drive a set that really impresses me or start seeing folks take trophys with them, I'll recommend Konis.

I'm just really picky when it comes to suspension, though.

 

everytime i read ''not good for the road though'' I remember the very very shitty ride my taiwanese coilovers gave me.

Go figure why the ride with 800+lbs springs with spss3 valved koni race was very tolerable while going to the track. I even daily drove with them.

A shitty product will give a shitty ride, wether it's on the street or on the track.