I wanna make my crx safer since its pre-airbag and my seatbelts seem sketch. I was looking into a 4pt roll bar with a racing seat and harness. This is a project car that i hope to take to the track for fun in the future. What would your suggestions be on making what some call a "death trap" safer?

 

Pretty much Roll-cage, some nice aftermarket seats, and a nice 4-5 point harness.

 

If im gonna drive it on the street would a roll bar and harness setup be illegal or more dangerous than good?

 

CRX and safe?

Buy a new car?

 

A roll cage will make your crx safer. the four point seat belts are an upgrade from the tree point, but they essentially do the same job. On the up side if your going to build your crx for the track, you will already have the roll cage installed.

 

Well would a 4pt roll bar with the mount for the harness be a good investment if i drive it on the streets often (would it be legal for street use?)

 

Safe and CRX will never go together! Thats the rush of driving a street legal go kart! Just drive safe and watch out for those idiots that think they are the only people on the street and dont even look where their going.

 

Making a CRX safer = making it brake and handle better.
- Good tires and reasonable suspension to improve agility.
- Rotors, pads, lines, going through and updating the braking system to make sure it is up to snuff.


A miata is better than a suburban in an emergency situation because it can turn quicker and more predictiably and it can brake much, much better.

 

i just put a 6 point in my crx, i feel safer and the car actually feels stiffer, i havent got to the new seats and harness yet. also dont be stupid and mount the harness to the roll bar.i will get some pics of the cage later today for ya

 

whats wrong with mounting the harness to the roll bar? I thought it was a safe method to wrap the harness around the harness bar of the roll bar behind you....isn't that why its called a harness bar in the first place???

 

its not safe becuse the seats and rollcage twist, and there not connected to the same point...does that make sence?like if you hade a frame and the cage and seats were mounted then its fine becuse the would move the same...

 

well i have heard about needing a roll bar to use harnesses...would the harness not even touch the roll bar and just go at an angle and bolt into the body of the car? Cause i have seen harnesses wrapped on roll bars and making contact with the roll bar but bolting back behind you

 

You can mount the harness to the roll bar, the car is a unibody, not a separate frame.

 

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Don't be a dumbass and mount them to the floor. Idiots do this all the time, and in an actual wreck the force of them being bolted down would cause major compression upon your spinal column, possibly resulting in parapalegia or death.

 

A rollcage would make your car more dangerous if not just as dangerous as running none. For one, rollcages are meant to be used with a helmet.
Second, it gets rid of crumple zones so more of the energy of the impact would be transfered/felt vs. absorbed.

Cages work well on tracks because they have walls of tires and "soft walls" in general, they have sand/gravel that help slow you down, and there's no object like a lightpole, 18 wheeler, or SUV on the track. In other words, tracks were designed with high possibility of crashes/collisions in mind.

If you want something safer, you'd need to upgrade to another car.


Modified by K2e2vin at 9:43 AM 8/11/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K2e2vin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A rollcage would make your car more dangerous if not just as dangerous as running none. For one, rollcages are meant to be used with a helmet.
Second, it gets rid of crumple zones so more of the energy of the impact would be transfered/felt vs. absorbed.

Cages work well on tracks because they have walls of tires and "soft walls" in general, they have sand/gravel that help slow you down, and there's no object like a lightpole, 18 wheeler, or SUV on the track. In other words, tracks were designed with high possibility of crashes/collisions in mind.

If you want something safer, you'd need to upgrade to another car.


Modified by K2e2vin at 9:43 AM 8/11/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>Dude the whole car is a crumple zone. The only way he would need a helmet with a 4 pt cage is if he sat with the seat all the way back. Even then it would be hard with a 5 pt harness.


Modified by Eaglekper0046 at 7:13 AM 8/11/2008

 

I'm talking about a cage, not a bar. 4-pt "cages" aren't really cages since they're just there to support the hoop.

I should also add the 3 point stock seat belts work VERY much different than 4/5 point belts. The stock belts allow you to lean to the side in the event the roof collapses in a roll over.


Modified by K2e2vin at 10:18 AM 8/11/2008

 

who cares about being safe. just make it light

 

Well i have already made it light...haha maybe got carried away because its only one seat and a metal shell inside with a dashboard. But my main question is would a professionally installed 4pt bolt-in roll bar, racing seat, and a good 4 point harness make the crx safer than stock....cause if it does then it would be worth it IMO.

 

yeah, it would make it safe, espicially if its welded to your frame. And it looks pretty sweet too.

 

well then would a bolt-in not be as safe? Cause i was looking to get an Autopower bolt-in roll bar, sparco racing seat, and a 4pt harness.

 

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Do you really believe that? If so, don't ever go racing, cause 90% of shoulder belts are mounted wrap-around style to the cage. So many of the people on here have really twisted ideas about whats safe and whats not.

 

well then what do u think is the safest setup for street/track use?

 

4 pt roll protection, leave your stock belts for the street, and have a 5 or 6 point harness attached to the bars not the floor. As a road race instructor that is what I would recommend. If you do a full cage and drive on the street and get in an accident you could crack your skull open.

 

i see what your saying toad, but what if you have a.....bah what is it called like heimlic brace, whatever it is, neck brace that attaches on the top 2 harness' on your belt, are those illegal for street?