hey guys
i recently purchased a honda civic 1996 GLi
its a 1.6l non vtec
at the moment its just modified looks wise except for the exhaust and light weight wheels.(i have a pod filter going on soon )

i was wondering what i could do to get abit more power out of my 1.6 without breaking the bank
i am aware that being a non vtec i am limited

thanks guys,

-EK1

 

Whats breaking the bank?

 

"Cheap power gains" don't go with dseries motors at all. You're never going to get cheap, effective power gains. Yeah, you can do some small boltons or something so your motor performs better, but you're not going to make much power.

Swap or boost are your only options for good power.

 

yeh i guess i should be happy with my exhaust and pod filter
(and i plan to get extractors).

yeh i think i should wait till ive got enough cash to drop in a b18c5 and by the way, other then the 3-4 k im gonna be spending on the engine , how much do you think it would cost to get it into my civic (labour wise)

thanks for all your help guys

-ek1


Modified by ek1civic at 7:18 AM 7/21/2008

 

OP: man you definitely should do some searching before you post. i've seen so many of these "cheap hp suggestion" threads in the past week.

if you search once, you should find your answer(s).

 

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i am aware that being a non vtec i am limited

thanks guys,

-EK1 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not having vtec is not the problem. Even the vtec models can't really benifit from normal 'bolt-ons'. Its the single cam motor that will be the limiting factor (and I am a D series fan). They really need some money thrown at them to make them quick. Either boost or some $$ put into a good NA setup.

I might suggest doing some things to the suspension/handling of the car until your ready to either swap the motor out or boost it

 

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Not having vtec is not the problem. Even the vtec models can't really benifit from normal 'bolt-ons'. Its the single cam motor that will be the limiting factor (and I am a D series fan). They really need some money thrown at them to make them quick. Either boost or some $$ put into a good NA setup.

I might suggest doing some things to the suspension/handling of the car until your ready to either swap the motor out or boost it </TD></TR></TABLE>

x2.

i'd like to see your full 1/4 mile stats, civicman86

 

N20

 

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N20 </TD></TR></TABLE>

whats so great about n2o "N2O"?
if your gonna use Forced Induction, go turbo, n2o is not cost effective.

 

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whats so great about n2o "N2O"?
if your gonna use Forced Induction, go turbo, n2o is not cost effective.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well first of all... "n2o" is not forced induction. it is, however, a "power-adder."

secondly, it can be very cost-effective for a daily driver or weekend warrior just looking for that ocassional extra bit of power. a high-quality nitrous system and be a very affordable/reliable way to get an extra 50hp if installed correctly.

 

it is a FI method, and i disagree. not hardly cost effective, even for the weekend user. I respect your opinion.

 

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well first of all... "n2o" is not forced induction. it is, however, a "power-adder."

secondly, it can be very cost-effective for a daily driver or weekend warrior just looking for that ocassional extra bit of power. a high-quality nitrous system and be a very affordable/reliable way to get an extra 50hp if installed correctly.
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He's right, N2O is forced induction.

Don't agree?

It's injected, how much forced do you want?

The injection of N2O, upon heating the nitrogen stabilizes the combustion while the oxygen adds the energy needed. It's forced in there.

It's forced induction, and a power adder.

N2O is the best bang for the buck if you're looking for a good track time or a good HP lay down. It's not cost effective and it sure as hell isn't constant power.

From the sound of things this guy's looking for more power in his Y7, then nitrous isn't the answer.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">boost or stock</TD></TR></TABLE>
Applies in terms of daily driven D series motors

You can spend some cash on bolt ons, get &lt;5 whp out of it and a nice sound, that's about it.

Your best bet is to boost, by far.


Modified by Syndacate at 8:32 PM 7/21/2008

 

Boost is the best way to go.

Trust me, you wont regret it if you do it right.

 

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Trust me, you wont regret it if you do it right.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So true!

 

I definately think boost is is great, it is nice to have the power there all the time. But nitrous is the cheapest bang for the buck there is, unless you find it necessary to empty the whole bottle in 10 min. Most people who drive their cars on the street don't drive wide open everywhere they go, so most the time you don't need the power all the time anyway. My friend bought a used ZEX kit for $150, and I installed it for him in about 2 hours (could've been done faster). Filled the bottle and it sure woke up his prelude. I'm not sure if it was 50 or 75 hp jets, but it was a simple system that was very effective. The first bottle only lasted 2 days, but after he got that out of his system, they lasted a couple of weeks.

I am not talking down on turbos, but there is much more cost, and tuning, and labor required for the install.

Then again, after 20 bottle refills, you spend as much as the turbo anyhow...

I'm not into street racing, but if someone was talking smack wanting to race me and I didn't have much money to spend, I'd slap a nitrous kit on it real quick and go smoke him

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He's right, N2O is forced induction.

Don't agree?

It's injected, how much forced do you want?

The injection of N2O, upon heating the nitrogen stabilizes the combustion while the oxygen adds the energy needed. It's forced in there.

It's forced induction, and a power adder.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think this depends on what you consider "forced induction". When I hear the term, I visualize the engine using a compressor to increase manifold pressure above atmospheric.

Nitrous is an oxidizer. You're not "forcing" more gas in the cylinders like in a turbo/supercharged setup. The additional oxygen just lets you burn more fuel per cycle.

 

you can go mini me

 

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Been there - and would never do it again

 

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I am not talking down on turbos, but there is much more cost, and tuning, and labor required for the install.

Then again, after 20 bottle refills, you spend as much as the turbo anyhow...

I'm not into street racing, but if someone was talking smack wanting to race me and I didn't have much money to spend, I'd slap a nitrous kit on it real quick and go smoke him </TD></TR></TABLE>

A bit of reading and planning, you can build a turbo setup and tune for less then you think. Deals are around, just have to wait some times. I gave up n2o after about 5 refills at 58ish$ ech fill. been about 3 months and i almost have all my turbo parts, n2o was a waste of time for me.

I do aggree it is fast and cheap for a few refills. Once ya pop ya cant stop! $$$$

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I think this depends on what you consider "forced induction". When I hear the term, I visualize the engine using a compressor to increase manifold pressure above atmospheric.

Nitrous is an oxidizer. You're not "forcing" more gas in the cylinders like in a turbo/supercharged setup. The additional oxygen just lets you burn more fuel per cycle.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see your point of view, however, n2o is a gas being forced/shot into the intake
system. large amounts of O with turbo, Small amounts of N2O with nitrous. both gas, both being forced.

 

Once you pop, you can't stop!

I like that, hehe...

 

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system. large amounts of O with turbo, Small amounts of N2O with nitrous. both gas, both being forced.
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It's being forced into the intake, but not the cylinders.That's why I can see how it's lumped in the "forced induction" category.

The intake charge carries the gas into the engine.

 

I love how there are these threads of people looking for "cheap" power gains.

News flash.. we all drive civics... if you want real power, go turbo, or motor swap to a B-series, or just go out and buy another car all togather.

Im sorry, mini-me's, cold air intakes and catback exhausts dont to sh*t for your singlecam. Cheap and Power are two words that cant be used in the same sentence, but then again, ones idea of cheap and anothers idea of what "power" is, is a subjective thing.


But bottom line is.... power and speed is not cheap, so if you want power, you'll have to man up, work hard like some of us have for our parts, and be patient and get boost or a B-swap, because modding your singlecam with bolt-ons isnt going to get you anything significant. Its blunt, but its the truth man.

 

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I think this depends on what you consider "forced induction". When I hear the term, I visualize the engine using a compressor to increase manifold pressure above atmospheric.

Nitrous is an oxidizer. You're not "forcing" more gas in the cylinders like in a turbo/supercharged setup. The additional oxygen just lets you burn more fuel per cycle.</TD></TR></TABLE>

right. when i think of forced induction, i think of more AIR, and consequently fuel, being forced into the engine.

when i think of nitrous, i think more along the lines of a vacuum system, where, in effect, the extra gas is sucked into the engine (depending on which kind of system).

 

We can call them power adders instead

 

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lol, i'm down with that... i wish i had one