i am about to buy a new wideband and was looking for opinions on what is the easiest to use, best buy, and best to tune with??

 

what tuning platform?

i used to use fjo before, but datalogging it with crome/hondata, i get weird results.
i prefer plx. any series.

 

AEM Gauge Type UEGO. Easiest, most flexible, and cleanest looking.

 

Innovate Motorsports LC-1 with the XD-16 works good for me. Same size as the AEM with a few different styles to choose from. There is also the new Innovate LM-2 hand held if you have the $$$$


Modified by GhostAccord at 2:48 PM 7/18/2008

 

i like the plx. iv'e had the FJO also wich was way more money. i like the plx better.

 

Any PLX wideband. Ease of use, lack of problems, and fact that it has both wideband and narrowband outputs simultaneously.

 

The PLX costs $100 more and up and doesn't have anything the AEM doesn't have. I like that the controller is build into the gauge on the AEM.

 

i've used the zeitronix and LC1. zeitronix had a great built in datalogger but the control box crapped on me. The LC1 is a pain in the *** until you figure out where the best grounds are, then its pretty damn nice. The recalibration factor kinda sucks, but its a nice reassurance that the readings are correct.

 

I've had / used quite a few widebands over the years...

Motec PLM:
Pros: works great, supports NTK sensors
Cons: only supports 6066 Bosch sensors, COST
(my daily wideband, hooked up to Dynapack)

FJO:
Pros: works great, supports NTK sensors
Cons: voltage output curve questionable for unmodified honda ECUs, COST

PLX M300:
Pros: nice display, legacy + wideband dual voltages, CHEAP
Cons: very questionable performance in rich mixtunes compared to FJO / Motec, cannot use NTK sensors
(My street tuning wideband)

Innovate LC1:
Pros: Logworks rocks, integration of serial datalogging into other applications is very nice, cheap
Cons: I've been through 2 of them in less than a year. Supposedly, production has been shifted back to the US from China and this should be better, no display, no support for NTK sensors
(My other street tuning wideband)

LM1:
Pros: Like LC1 above, plus display
Cons: bulky, clunky

NGK Wideband:
Pros: Can use NTK L1H1/L2H2 *and* the ~$169 NTK sensor used on newer Honda V6 motors, relatively cheap, very legible display
Cons: not setup to read leaner than 16:1, ships with crappy proprietary plug bosch sensor.


I'd buy another PLX. I'd buy a LM1/LM2. I'd buy a NGK.

 

My expereince...

^^ Motec PLM... the best "reasonable" dollar one, WILL support Bosch 6066, 7057, 7200 etc with flash update. They no longer reccomend NTK due to variability in the sensors, but will supply you a $600 one that they 'calibrated'. It is also on one of my dynos.

FJO.... VERY Good

Zeitronix... Very good

Accel... Very good, probably the best if you are gonna use Bosch sensors, the results, heater control, and temp compensation approaches a Horiba Lab grade at a fraction of the cost.

LMI/LCI, Innovate JUNK. Throw that **** away. Their heater control is screwed, the sensor output is noisy, and skewed. Their temperature compensation is either non existent or completely in left field (probably related to heater control). I do like their software and logging... but...

TechEdge 3A/3E... very nice as well, logging, good heater control and temp compensation, supports most sensors.

FAST.... decent unit, but the voltage output is fixed and has very low resolution even in high res mode.

NGK/AFX.... excellent unit, but fixed resolution, only goes to 16:!... not enough for some applications.

 

I use the TechEdge 2E (the newer ones are called 3E) and have very good experience with it. It's robust, working well and the best is the differential output - you never ever have to worry about voltage offset between the wideband and the ECU.

I've used AEM Gauge Style and LC1 in the past, too (permamently installed in customers cars). They worked good enough to tune the car.

The worst experience i had with JAW. Poor heater design, jumpy voltage output. I've installed it permamently in my car, but i just use it as A/F gauge, cause i don't trust its output. But Alan is working on it, maybe it become better some day.

 

Ive used the tech edge DIY pretty good build quality.
Refined software
Robust
Onboard ram so you can data log without a PC

 

LOL This thread is two years old homie.

 

lol, well lets bring it back.. 2 years should be enough time to get some more opinions..

im looking at getting a wideband now...

what works good or is preferred with neptune demon?

 

LOL Im running an Innovate lc-1 with Neptune

 

Out of all the widebands Ive used Innovate by far makes the most accurate unit i have ever used. Ive been using my innovate LM-1 now for over 5 years and love that I can use the NTK sensors with it or the cheap bosch sensors.

 

Damn, I'm debating installing the LC1 I just bought.

Can NTK sensors be used with the LC1?

 

no LC1 uses the Bosch LSU4.2 which is a very good sensor and very cheap.

they are about $35 at the parts store. ask for a front o2 sensor for an 04 1.8T jetta.




i own an LC1, LM1, and a 14point7.com NAW. they are all awesome and have all the features i care about

the AEM is lacking features huge, but its easy to plug it in and watch the numbers! its also slow as all hell.

 

Where are the best spots to ground the LC1?

 

i believe there are two grounds one for the heater circuit and one for the processor.

the heating circuit for the wideband can go anywhere, the processor should get grounded at the same place as the ECU if you plan to datalog through the ECU itself. otherwise, just make sure the gauge and wideband are grounded at the same place.

 

Going 4 years on my plx sm-afr with no issues whatsoever. Id buy one again in a heartbeat.

Reads right along with my tuner's lc1 dyno wideband also.

 

is it the gauge that is slow with the uego? or while data logging does it get behind? im looking at a uego for my series 2 aem ems

 

I have always used the inline AEM UEGO for data logging air/fuel both on my street and race cars with much success with accurate readings.

The AEM UEGO with the gauge is also very helpful to view air/fuel real time and can also data log when connected to your engine management

 

give t1 a call for a ngk wideband just ordered one from him datalogging with s300.
I was running the plx m300 but sensor took a **** on me so switched over the the ngk with ntk sensor.
http://www.t1raceparts.com/index.php...-wideband.html

 

With more use of e85, get a wideband that is setup to read low a/r of e85, pump gas reading is a given. The new digital wideband from innovate is nice.