I'm looking to modify my 94 Accord LX (automatic) instead of buying a new car, which would take awhile to save up money for. Also, insurance would cost quite a bit, thus, modifying the car would probably be better.

Basically the car is stock. I'm trying to modify it to get more power before working on the looks of the car. Looking for some advice/help on where to begin.

I want to keep the car an automatic. I'm thinking of swapping a H22 engine into the car. If I swap the h22 engine in the car, would I also need to get a new automatic transmission or would the current one I have be fine? How much should this cost, with transmission, without transmission? How much would labor cost for this job typically? Besides that, I have no idea what else to do. Should I even begin there? I'm not looking for drop a huge amount of money on the car, but just trying to gain HP from the 140 that is the stock engine and assumed the best gain would be swapping for h22 engine.

Is 2050 for h22 engine that includes this, a good deal or expensive?
Complete Motor - Block and Head
Automatic Transmission
Engine Control Unit (ECU)
Distributor
Intake Manifold
Exhaust Manifold
Alternator
Air Conditioning Pump
Power Steering Pump
VTEC Solenoid
Half Shaft (Intermediate Shaft)
Starter
Fuel Rail
Injectors
Sensors
Throttle Body

this cost 1300 for the h22 engine, good deal?
Complete Motor - Block and Head
Distributor
Intake Manifold
Exhaust Manifold
Alternator
Air Conditioning Pump
Power Steering Pump
VTEC Solenoid
Fuel Rail
Injectors
Sensors
Throttle Body

Prices include the shipping cost ($500)

Where should I begin for power, any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

Do some researchizzle as there's tons of info out there on the H22 swaps.

And the nice way of writing what you wrote is the

H22 full swap (motor/tranny/ecu) vs H22 long block (motor)

 

Thanks for the terms.

After doing some more research, how much this should cost approximately and what brands should I go for, for these parts. Not trying to break the bank, but don't want some cheap generic parts. Something average or a little above.

H22A Engine Full Swap
Full Exhaust System
Intake
Header

Should I replace axles, if so, what should I replace it with?

Is this something I should start off with if I'm just trying to gain some horsepower without breaking the bank, or should I start in another direction?

Just trying to gain some HP and then work on the looks of the car, not using it to race.

Any help, suggestions, advice are welcomed!

 

just boost it

 

what's the point of not racing if you're swapping in an h22? It just seems like you're going to waste like 2 grand when you can make your car look good with 2 grand.

If you're just going to daily it, just modify the f22b2 engine. PLUS, it's an automatic. Just go for show man.

 

well the f22b2 engine only has 130 hp. i want more power because its too slow for my liking, plus the mileage is adding up on the engine.

is there an engine like in between or something? what specifically should i modify if i don't swap a h22 in and just modify the current engine?

thanks for your input!

 

You're not going to get any power without spending $$$ unless you use nitrous. Engine swap, NA engine build, turbo kit + tuning, etc all cost money...that's the reality of a small economic engine in a heavy car. Plus that auto tranny makes it that much slower.

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That's called being a ricer, I don't think he wants that kind of negative attention.

 

i'm willing to drop about 2-3 grand for some power, but where do i begin? i'm not looking for a whole bunch of power right now, just more than what i'm working with. i want to add power now, but still have the options to add more later, if i chose to.

i called a local shop and the mechanic said he would be able to get me an low mileage VTEC engine directly from japan and install it for a total of 1500. i'm not sure if this is a full swap or if it's just the motor. would i need to get a new tranny with the h22 engine or would my current tranny work?


Modified by itzonlydav at 11:50 PM 7/9/2008

 

In all honesty, it's a 14 year old car meant to be economical with a tad more class of a civic of the same vintage...Drive it for what it's worth, or sell it and buy a used BMW. With that 2-3K you're willing to spend on the engine alone, then another few grand into the body, you could get a great running car with better performance (as you are looking for) and since it's a BMW, the auto will probably end up costing less than manual version.

Factor in (what it sounds like is...) that you're not going to do the work yourself, add in a few more zeros into your price factor, and you really should just save up for a new car.

I'm not trying to discourage you, but it sounds as if you want a fast reliable cheap car...those three words will never go hand in hand, you can choose any 2, but the 3rd wont apply.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, and is this your first car?

 

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Factor in (what it sounds like is...) that you're not going to do the work yourself, add in a few more zeros into your price factor, and you really should just save up for a new car.

I'm not trying to discourage you, but it sounds as if you want a fast reliable cheap car...those three words will never go hand in hand, you can choose any 2, but the 3rd wont apply.

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Are you seriously serious? A [freak]ing BMW? Yeah let's just add on a couple 0's to that maintenance bill.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with modifying his 14 year old car meant to be economical with a tad more class than a civic of the same vintage. Seriously - would you like to tell that to every other forum on here? How about specifically the 20+ year old car ones? "Yeah well your car sucks so buy a BMW" I wager it'll go great!

Oh and not too mention all he says is he wants a bit more power - dropping in a stock H22A with an avg of 50k miles is unreliable? After doing all the maintenance? GIVE ME A BREAK! If you do not have an appreciation for what he's doing please just don't respond. There's a difference between what OP is trying to do and what the kid "Greatness" is doing. OP has reasonable goals whereas "Greatness" is a moron.

OP, since obviously you're unable to do any type of research as I suggested and apparently are a sheep.

- H22A with LSD auto
- better wheels/tires
- maintenance

The full swap will run you approx $2000 keeping in mind the maintenance will probably be around $1500 (new parts,etc) and approx $1000 or so to swap it in and have the work done on it. And obviously don't just print this off go to a mechanic and go "TheMuffinMan from the interwebz said it'll only cost this much" because they'll tell you to shove it. Do the RESEARCH like I said and CALL YOUR LOCAL SHOPS. LOOK ONLINE FOR THE BEST DEAL. SEARCH THE ACCORD FORUMS FOR INFORMATION



Modified by TheMuffinMan at 7:01 AM 7/10/2008

 

To decide what would be best for your car/situation, check the faq, you can see the different types of engine swaps there, you could turbo it also. There's lots of other things you could do, but those two would probably be good starting points.

You could also get an F22B DOHC, you can get them for probably around $500-$600+shipping. I think it's about 160hp, so that would be 30hp more.

Check ebay motors, you can get a good idea what engines should cost there. I replaced the engine in my 94, I just got the same one though, the F22B2, and it was $650 delivered. If you have it delivered to a shop it is usually cheaper because the trucks they deliver them on will usually charge more to deliver to a residential address. Hope this helps.

 

MuffinMan, thanks, I &lt;3 you too! Haha.

Looked through a few sites and H22A w/ LSD auto will cost about $1600 before shipping, best deal I found so far (maybe price will drop when I get the money)

The F22B DOHC runs for about $900 and up (including shipping), which only includes the motor, no tranny/ECU from the few sites I checked, including Ebay.

The best HP gain for the dollar would be getting the h22A, which is what I'm leaning towards.

Now I called a mechanic and he said he was able to do a full swap with a low mileage engine, but said the engine is the same as mine for $1800-$2000, includes labor/parts. I called him last time and he said VTEC engine and everything would cost about $1500. This is just an estimate, I'll probably bring the car to him and ask him there for a more reliable quote. Is there a VTEC engine that he might be talking about?


Thanks for all the replies!

 

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Looked through a few sites and H22A w/ LSD auto will cost about $1600 before shipping, best deal I found so far (maybe price will drop when I get the money)

The F22B DOHC runs for about $900 and up (including shipping), which only includes the motor, no tranny/ECU from the few sites I checked, including Ebay.

The best HP gain for the dollar would be getting the h22A, which is what I'm leaning towards.

Now I called a mechanic and he said he was able to do a full swap with a low mileage engine, but said the engine is the same as mine for $1800-$2000, includes labor/parts. I called him last time and he said VTEC engine and everything would cost about $1500. This is just an estimate, I'll probably bring the car to him and ask him there for a more reliable quote. Is there a VTEC engine that he might be talking about?


Thanks for all the replies!
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It was a bad day, so sorry if I came off harsh. But I know all the info is out there because it's what I use when I do my mods.

Not sure what your mechanic is referring to, it's probably the F22B1 which is the VTEC engine in the EX model.

You're better off buying the motor yourself and having it drop shipped to the shop (what I did)

 

He might be talking about the F22B1, that's a sohc vtec engine, it was in the EX, I think. So it's pretty much the same as F22B2, but w/vtec.

 

Np muffinman, I had a good laugh, need some humor when reading this stuff. Didn't take it personal.

Hmm, that's probably what he's talking about since I just told him it was a 94 Accord. I'm probably gonna shop around, call shops, see how much it costs to have the engine swapped. The mechanic I called has no idea about the h22A engine, not sure if that is a big deal or not since it's a direct swap pretty much?

Does it matter if I have the maintenance done before/after the engine is swapped? What exactly am dropping money on for the maintenance? Sorry, I have NO IDEA about cars, if that isn't already noticable lol.

Once again, thanks, I do appreciate it.

 

If you read the warranties on most motor sites. For them to cover anything you have to replace:

- timing belt
- water pump
- clutch/flywheel
- all belts
- tensioners
- sparkplugs/wires
- dizzy sometimes
- etc

Basically when I did my swap I did EVERY major and minor service I could so it was a huge overhaul. And you'll want to do all it while the motor is out of the car as the labor is MUCH cheaper.

H22A into your year has quite a few guides in the Accord FAQ - linked to AccordinglyDone.com I believe. Review those and check out. Also one of the tuner magazines did a h22 swap "how to"

You'll also need a new header, and it can be easiest just to do the full exhaust at that time as well.

New axles, etc

 

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My accord is an auto and I don't even think my **** is close to rice. Rice is bodykits and cheap ebay products. I've worked for my ****. If my car is rice because it's an automatic, then that's all you got on me.

 

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Are you seriously serious? A [freak]ing BMW? Yeah let's just add on a couple 0's to that maintenance bill.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with modifying his 14 year old car meant to be economical with a tad more class than a civic of the same vintage. Seriously - would you like to tell that to every other forum on here? How about specifically the 20+ year old car ones? "Yeah well your car sucks so buy a BMW" I wager it'll go great!

Oh and not too mention all he says is he wants a bit more power - dropping in a stock H22A with an avg of 50k miles is unreliable? After doing all the maintenance? GIVE ME A BREAK! If you do not have an appreciation for what he's doing please just don't respond. There's a difference between what OP is trying to do and what the kid "Greatness" is doing. OP has reasonable goals whereas "Greatness" is a moron.
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A"bit more power" consists of IHE and/or a butt dyno.
You didn't even try reading what I'd wrote. OP is asking for more power in realms he's never even thought of, and while possibly worthwhile to him, doesn't make sense if he's only 16. I'm not saying get a brand new BMW, you can get a very nice (read early 90's) BMW with enough to satisfy you if the accord isn't doing it. Maintenance wise, of course it'd cost a bit more, I never said it wouldn't. I'm saying with him willing to drop 3K for engine/engine work, another say 2K for body work, and another 1-2K in parts and accessories for whatever he decides to do, he could get the BMW that's "already there." He stated that he didn't want wait to save money for a new car, but when all is said and done, he would have spent enough to get a newer nice car with more hp.

A mature adult modifying a 14 year old car is A WHOLE LOT different than a teenager (usually). Generally the teen is doing so because the car is what their parents stuck them with, what they were passed down, all they could get etc.

Again, don't take **** so literal though...it's just the internet.

 

first you should just read the faq section

 

1) He's 21
2) A bit more power isn't realms he's never heard of lol
3) And yes I realize you're not talking about a new BMW - believe it or not the early 90's/80's weren't the greatest either
4) He was fairly set on an H22 with is a bit more power (roughly 60hp over stock, similar torque)