mini-me obd1 conversion head scratcher
I've got a 91 civic lx. bought with a blown motor. bought a b7 bottom end out of a 93, bought a z6 head out of a 94 si. OBD0 to OBD1 conversion and swap harness was done by Ryan at Rywire. I have a virgin p28 ecu, as well as a virgin p06 ecu. Reman'd disty.
Here's the head scratcher part. i have strong spark on all four cylinders. I have injector pulse at all four injector plugs. all 4 injectors ohm out within spec, 12.2 to 12.3 ohms on all four injectors. car will run on carb cleaner but otherwise will do nothing but crank. Injectors are not sparying fuel. have fuel pressure. Can Hear the fuel pump running.
There are a couple codes in it.
on the p28 ecu it throws
22 Vtec pressure solenoid
41 Heated o2 sensor heater(brand new 02 tho?)
4 crank position (new reman'd disty bad dizzy?)
16 fuel injector (kinda has me stumped< since they all ohm'd out in spec)
10 intake air temp (is plugged up)
20 electric load detector
on the p06 ecu
22 vtec pressure solenoid
10 intake air temp
19 A/T lock up solenoid
I work at a shop in this area and this one has me as well as coworkers and local honda friends all scrathing their heads.
any help would be GREATLY apreciated.
Here's the head scratcher part. i have strong spark on all four cylinders. I have injector pulse at all four injector plugs. all 4 injectors ohm out within spec, 12.2 to 12.3 ohms on all four injectors. car will run on carb cleaner but otherwise will do nothing but crank. Injectors are not sparying fuel. have fuel pressure. Can Hear the fuel pump running.
There are a couple codes in it.
on the p28 ecu it throws
22 Vtec pressure solenoid
41 Heated o2 sensor heater(brand new 02 tho?)
4 crank position (new reman'd disty bad dizzy?)
16 fuel injector (kinda has me stumped< since they all ohm'd out in spec)
10 intake air temp (is plugged up)
20 electric load detector
on the p06 ecu
22 vtec pressure solenoid
10 intake air temp
19 A/T lock up solenoid
I work at a shop in this area and this one has me as well as coworkers and local honda friends all scrathing their heads.
any help would be GREATLY apreciated.
holly **** that's a **** load of codes man. ok first lets check your Main Relay, the 22 is because your running a vtec ecu that's not hooked up to the silly-noid. the AT? your running a auto ecu? you'll need to clip resistor.
well check thoese we will go step by step.
well check thoese we will go step by step.
Main relay is bad, forgot that in the opening post. i have terminals 1, 3 & 7 jumpered with a 5 amp fuse in the middle. puts power to the injectors & the fuel pump. The auto p06 ecu was an extra i had around, plugged it up to see if the codes were any different between that and the p28 ecu. i plan on running the p28. the harness was supposed to be a plug an play harness, all the plugs are pluged up on the vtec solenoid.
ok well fix your main relay. you probbaly need to heat up the back side of the solder joints and add just a bit more new solder and that should fix it. if not get another one. get rid of each issue at one time.
Update with good news. I've elimanated all the codes except 10 and 22. I have 12 volts at the injector plugs. now when i try to start it it acts like it wants to, then just goes back to cranking.
demonkid: all joints on the back of the relay or just certain ones?
demonkid: all joints on the back of the relay or just certain ones?
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Great news! It is now running!! turned out reason it wouldn't start was 3 bad injectors. wouldn't spray the least bit of gas out of them. it runs, but doesn't feel like it has the power it should. demonkid, I'm goin to try and solder the back of the main relay tonight. I don't have the emissions system on the car at all, i didn't see an extra plug for the purge solenoid, but I will double check it and make sure.
credit goes to hondaswap for the link.
Just ran into this site... lots of great info about injectors:
Fuel Injector information & Specifications specs
In case the link dies, here's the page info:
Vehicle Injector Types Factory Flow Rating Notes
1990-'93 Geo Storm GSi Peak and Hold 222cc
1990-'93 Geo Storm 2+2 & Stylus S Saturated 222cc
1990-'93 Isuzu Impulse & Stylus XS Peak and Hold 222cc
1991-'92 Isuzu Impulse RS AWD Peak and Hold 322cc
1988-'91 Civic Si/CRX Si Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'95 Civic Saturated 240cc
1996-'00 Civic dx cx and lx Saturated 190cc
1996-'00 Civic ex/si Saturated 240cc
1990-'91 Integra RS/LS/GS Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'00 Integra LS/GS Saturated 240cc
1992-'96 Prelude Non-VTEC Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'96 Prelude VTEC Peak and Hold 345cc
1997-up Prelude VTEC H22 Saturated 280cc
1991-up Sentra SE-R/200SX SE-R Saturated 265cc
1991-up MR2 Turbo Peak and Hold 440cc
1987-'92 Supra Turbo Peak and Hold 440cc
1993-up Supra non-Turbo Saturated 315cc
1993-up Supra Twin-Turbo Peak and Hold 550cc
2000-up Celica GT-S Saturated 310cc
1990-up Miata 1.6-liter Saturated 215cc
1993-up Miata 1.8-liter Saturated 240cc
1984-85 RX-7 195500-0900 Peak and Hold 680cc Orange Top
1986-87 RX-7 195500-1350 Peak and Hold 460cc Red Top
1986-87 RX-7 195500-1370 Peak and Hold 550cc Tan Top
1988 RX-7 195500-1350 Saturated 460cc Purple Top
1988 RX-7 195500-1370 Saturated 550cc Purple Top
1989-91 RX-7 195500-2010 Saturated 460cc Red Top
1989-91 RX-7 195500-2020 Saturated 550cc Purple Top
1993-up RX-7 Twin-Turbo Saturated Primary 550cc Secondary 850cc
1990-'96 300ZX Twin-Turbo Saturated 370cc
1991-up 3000GT/Dodge Stealth non-turbo Saturated 210cc
1991-up 3000GT VR-4/ Dodge Stealth R/T TT Peak and Hold 360cc
1989-up Eclipse/Laser/Talon Turbo/non-turbo Peak and Hold 450cc Blue Top(95+ Black top)
390cc Tan top
240cc Orange/pink Top
210cc Light Tan Top
Mitsubishi EVO Peak and Hold 510cc Yellow Top (1-3)
560cc Red top (4+)
1986-89 Ford turboCoupe Peak and Hold 35lb/hr Brown Top
30lb/hr Green Top
There's a ton more pics and info available at the link. please visit, as i don't want to steal their pics, but i hate how links just end up breaking eventualyl on the net.
Just ran into this site... lots of great info about injectors:
Fuel Injector information & Specifications specs
In case the link dies, here's the page info:
Vehicle Injector Types Factory Flow Rating Notes
1990-'93 Geo Storm GSi Peak and Hold 222cc
1990-'93 Geo Storm 2+2 & Stylus S Saturated 222cc
1990-'93 Isuzu Impulse & Stylus XS Peak and Hold 222cc
1991-'92 Isuzu Impulse RS AWD Peak and Hold 322cc
1988-'91 Civic Si/CRX Si Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'95 Civic Saturated 240cc
1996-'00 Civic dx cx and lx Saturated 190cc
1996-'00 Civic ex/si Saturated 240cc
1990-'91 Integra RS/LS/GS Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'00 Integra LS/GS Saturated 240cc
1992-'96 Prelude Non-VTEC Peak and Hold 240cc
1992-'96 Prelude VTEC Peak and Hold 345cc
1997-up Prelude VTEC H22 Saturated 280cc
1991-up Sentra SE-R/200SX SE-R Saturated 265cc
1991-up MR2 Turbo Peak and Hold 440cc
1987-'92 Supra Turbo Peak and Hold 440cc
1993-up Supra non-Turbo Saturated 315cc
1993-up Supra Twin-Turbo Peak and Hold 550cc
2000-up Celica GT-S Saturated 310cc
1990-up Miata 1.6-liter Saturated 215cc
1993-up Miata 1.8-liter Saturated 240cc
1984-85 RX-7 195500-0900 Peak and Hold 680cc Orange Top
1986-87 RX-7 195500-1350 Peak and Hold 460cc Red Top
1986-87 RX-7 195500-1370 Peak and Hold 550cc Tan Top
1988 RX-7 195500-1350 Saturated 460cc Purple Top
1988 RX-7 195500-1370 Saturated 550cc Purple Top
1989-91 RX-7 195500-2010 Saturated 460cc Red Top
1989-91 RX-7 195500-2020 Saturated 550cc Purple Top
1993-up RX-7 Twin-Turbo Saturated Primary 550cc Secondary 850cc
1990-'96 300ZX Twin-Turbo Saturated 370cc
1991-up 3000GT/Dodge Stealth non-turbo Saturated 210cc
1991-up 3000GT VR-4/ Dodge Stealth R/T TT Peak and Hold 360cc
1989-up Eclipse/Laser/Talon Turbo/non-turbo Peak and Hold 450cc Blue Top(95+ Black top)
390cc Tan top
240cc Orange/pink Top
210cc Light Tan Top
Mitsubishi EVO Peak and Hold 510cc Yellow Top (1-3)
560cc Red top (4+)
1986-89 Ford turboCoupe Peak and Hold 35lb/hr Brown Top
30lb/hr Green Top
There's a ton more pics and info available at the link. please visit, as i don't want to steal their pics, but i hate how links just end up breaking eventualyl on the net.
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