Hey guys I have an EK and Im swapping in the fall and untill now Ive pretty much set my heart on the B16A 168hp engine even though I know its the samllest reasonable swap I didnt think I wanted anything bigger...

My friend who sells engines directly from Japan told me that he would sell me an H22A at cost for like $1300 which is awesome but I have some questions about the H22A.

First off people always talk about the extra weight but is it really that much... would it make a difference for daily driving handling and the occasional twisty road???

Are there any other complications that come along with trying to do this swap versus the B16A???

Thanks for all the help guys!

 

First off, when you do this swap on any Civic, YOU HAVE TO GET USED TO THE POWER AND RE-LEARN YOUR CARS HANDLING. You just can't jump in and expect it to be like a D or B series motor.

By all means respect the motor cause I had 2 guys, that I dropped H22's in there Civics, and they got sooooo big headed about there car........Yet they haven't lossed a race.

 

The weight difference is DEFINATELY enough to make the car have a huge tendency to plow at the limit. You'd have to get a very large or even custom fit a huge rear sway bar on the car to balance it out.. I believe the weight difference is somewhere around 170-180lbs...

Well, first off, the engine was never, ever, intended to go in the car. Lets see:
* Transmission operates using a cable shifter as opposed to shift linkage
* Axles are going to be a bitch to retrofit along with matching the spline size, length, intermediate shaft...
* You'll need a custom mount kit that'll definately rise the price of the "kit"
* you'll need a radiator that can actually keep a 2.2L engine cool

Second off, IMO the stock civic dx brakes are going to be HIGHLY inadequate not only for the increased driving speeds you'll be doing, but the increased weight. I'd highly suggest going with at LEAST brakes off an integra (front calipers, rotors, rear disc brake conversion).

That's it off the top of my head. Anyway I'd definately recommend sticking to a b16a unless youre planning on going ALL out AT ONCE. I honestly think an H22A swap with a limited budget will make a horrible car.

 

Ok, your right about the budget thing. But if you were to take the necessary route to prep the vehicle ie, Integra front and rear brakes, heavier spring rates in the front and sway bar in the rear, the Civic is a monster on the highway as well as Highway 101 twisties. Street light races are great if you have LSD, know how to launch and feather the gas. Launching in 2nd gear would probably be the best but detrimental to your axles.

As for the axle combo you use 90-97 Accord intermediate shaft and 1st gen. Integra outer shafts......That's it!

I do H22 swaps for about 6 to 7grand installed that included: a major service, T belt and balancer shaft with new tensioner service and valve adjustment etc. So, if you are considering this swap Please upgrade upgrade your suspension and brakes before you perform this swap.

 

if you do the h22a installs as a daily grind... i got a question for you.... i just bought a h22a motor, hcp engineering engine mounts and im having a shop put it into my integra. for some reason the shop keeps saying im missing a shift linkage kit and i need to get one. but when i call HASport and jdmhondaparts.com they both say i dont need anything else... and the shop wont proceed in the swap until they get it..... oh by the way its a 97+ year motor going into a 94 integra ls..

 

First off, did you get a complete engine with shift linkage cable? I think what the shop is talking about is the shift linkage cables and center console shifter assembly from the Prelude or Accord. The only company that make an actual cable kit is Place Racing which you don't need. Just get the factory cables and shifter and have them bolt it down with four bolts & nuts and cut a hole at the center console so the cables can be ran outside to the transmission. I believe the place racing cable "kit" doesn't require any cutting of holes for the shift cables. I think that what your shop is being confused about. I've never used the Place Racing kit but sounds pretty trick though.

 

First off im very happy with my swap. second i still think that with all my suspension upgrades the only difference in handling is due to me having to take off my Z10 radius arms.My car still handles as good as when i had my b16 w/o the z10's. Also im still running my stock radiator with stock fan and the cars has never gotten hot,never even touched the halfway point even after long runs down empty roads or waiting for a long trains(the ones almost finsh crossing then stop and go back.)

 

you still had interference with the z-10's i was told that they did work in an eg w/a h-22...no interference at all?!?!? hhhhmmmm...?

 

Z-10's DO NOT fit on the civic w/ and H22 swap... the torsion bars pass through the oil pan and the transmission.... check out competition engineering's

 

do the h22 for sure!!!

 

dude quit spreading propaganda....

the brakes aren't going to be THAT bad unless you're trying to slow down from triple digit speeds. don't be a moron and it'll be fine. haven't you ever driven around with a full load of people? It's not going to be any worse than that....not nearly. My stock CX brakes work JUST FINE even with 5 people in the car! that's over 700lbs....and I've got a B series..so that's 60-80lbs heavier than the stock engine.

now you guys argue with me all you want.....

i know you need to upgrade the brakes (i know i'm going to with my swap) but c'mon...it's not a death trap if you don't.

I've noticed only guys that are into Auto-x argue against the h22...why is that?

What's wrong with an h22 for daily driving?

 

"The weight difference is DEFINATELY enough to make the car have a huge tendency to plow at the limit. You'd have to get a very large or even custom fit a huge rear sway bar on the car to balance it out.. I believe the weight difference is somewhere around 170-180lbs..."

From posts that i've seen lately, people with these swaps say that there is about a weight difference of 80-90 pounds. If that's the case just move the battery to the back. If at all possible go to a place that can weigh each tire of your car individually and place the battery where it balances it out, and if you have to add weight where necessary. just my .02

 

well i believe he is talking about the weight difference between a D series and an H series. You are referring to the difference between the B series and the H series

 

Yes, finally someone who can follow a thread! I am referring to the difference in weight from the ORIGINAL engine to the H22A.

Death trap? When did I say death trap. First off if you're doing an H22A swap, I hope you're going to do something more than race against your friends on the way to the club. If you do ever want to solo 1 or 2, you'll realize what brakes are all about.

If you do a H22a, just do at least some suspension upgrades & at least an integra brake kit. That's it.

 

i know you were talking about the difference between the D and the H series....i was merely saying it's not THAT big of a difference. not too much different than having a whole load of people..something i do almost daily.

I never said that you SAID it was a death trap..but you sure did HINT at it, wouldn't you say? Like everyone who doesn't upgrade their brakes will die a horrible bloody death. riiiiight.

when did i ever say i wanted to Auto-x? that's got to be the single most boring thing i've ever witnessed....much less wasting time, money and effort into something that i view as completely pointless. my car is, and always will be ONLY a daily driver car that i can have some fun with. i'm not going to go to the illegals and kill myself. i'm not an idiot. and yes i will get my brakes upgraded...in time. when the $$ allows. I've been in a daily driven EK h22 with STOCK brakes and for daily driving it is JUST FINE. i hate how in every single post on H-T all you people just assume people want to Auto-x/road race. I personally care nothing about it.

 

Hello Jonathan

I can agree with you that a daily driven H22A civic driven at the speed limit will perform just fine. However people who would want to put an H22A in a civic probably want a little more out of the car: they want performance. If that person feels that stock brakes and suspension are adequate, than he or she is probably unaware of the dynamics and balance of a vehicle. When you accelerate faster, you'll most probably need to be able to brake faster, especially on the street. Turning will probably be an issue as well.

Your comparision of added weight is innacurate. When you seat 3 people in your car, their weight is almost perfectly added in the middle of the car. This weight will not create as much of a noticable imbalance at the limit other than slugishness and biteless handling and performance. When you add over 100lbs in front of the front wheels, the car will have a huge tendency to understeer, or "plow".

Auto-x'ing or any form of racing a waste of time? I take it your age has a lot to do with finding actual competition motorsports a "waste of time". I just want to make a point that unbalanced dangerous street cars driven by people who only want to go in a straight line fast is a waste of time. Tangible, improvable and meanigful figures from lap times, speeds seems a little better of a way spending my time.

To each his own.

 

Tuning will be an issue!? Please....why don't you explain this one to me, Richie. Honestly, what will be hard about tuning? You are probably correct about the weight issue..however, it's not as bad as some of you auto-x people try to spin it off to be. Maybe if you're actually in auto-x events, but on the street for daily driving (haven't I already stated this? I believe I have...) it will be just fine. Did I ever say anything about trying to slow down after 'only going fast in a straight line' which I assume you mean at above posted speed limits? No, I didn't.

Dude get off your 'art greater than thou' linch. Why do you auto-x people always bring up my age when you're talking about it? You people act like it's an acquired taste that comes with age (or should I say maturity? Your context appears to be hinting that I'm not mature enough to appreciate the sport. to you then moron). What would my age have to do with anything? You don't know me. You don't know my experiences. In fact, you nothing more about me than what I post here on H-T. Would this be true? Yes. Get off your fawking high horse.

 

I've been sitting next to my horse the whole time. I just think that people should think about cars on a whole, not just about how much horsepower it has. Desiging a car has a lot of variables. Honda didn't decide to put 10.2" brakes on my car because thats what they had lying around. They tested 10.0, 10.1 etc and found the perfect balance for my car.

Also, auto-x'ing is the same way companies like honda, ferrari, bmw etc make better cars. They figure out what works on the track and then put it on the street. I'm making the point that if you want to attain that track car quality for the street, looking at what happens on a track with your identical or similar car is a great indication, as well as a hell of a lot better than comparing our cars to formula 1 cars!

Anyway...


EDIT: I said turning, not tuning. I am referring to the plowing and understeer as well as the added dead weight on your suspension etc...


[Modified by teg92, 8:28 PM 8/2/2002]

 

misread..my mistake.

However, turning is just fine if you've got the right axles/mounts