the set-up is a stock gsr top-end, with an ls crank, and rods. i plan on adding some buddyclub spec4 cams, specs:
IN.
Duration-306°

Lift-12.3mm

Valve clearance-0.007

EX.
Duration-302°

Lift-11.8mm

Valve clearance- 0.008

do i HAVE to swap out the valvetrain for something better, or will the stock hold up till i can get some new springs (which will be a few weeks).

the guy i bought the cams from said he ran stock valvetrain on his gsr and it ran just fine.

 

Will the guy who ran stock valve train with those cams pay for your motor if yours goes boom?

This is ridiculous and needs to be locked.

 

dude just sell me the cams and get something that ur top end will handle u wont make the power cause u have no high cr pistons and u cannot rev high enough top end is stock

 

[QUOTE=fatpride111]the set-up is a stock gsr top-end, with an ls crank, and rods. i plan on adding some buddyclub spec4 cams, specs:
IN.
Duration-306°

Lift-12.3mm

Valve clearance-0.007

EX.
Duration-302°

Lift-11.8mm

Valve clearance- 0.008

do i HAVE to swap out the valvetrain for something better, or will the stock hold up till i can get some new springs (which will be a few weeks).

the guy i bought the cams from said he ran stock valvetrain on his gsr and it ran just fine.[/QUOTE]

You don't HAVE to do anything. Just listen to the guy who SOLD you the cams since he obviously had no biased or hidden agenda in getting you to BUY his cams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Combustion Contraption &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will the guy who ran stock valve train with those cams pay for your motor if yours goes boom?

This is ridiculous and needs to be locked.</TD></TR></TABLE>
im asking for a reason... i need a real answer, not some smart *** remark.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You don't HAVE to do anything. Just listen to the guy who SOLD you the cams since he obviously had no biased or hidden agenda in getting you to BUY his cams. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i still got a killer deal on them, so even if i dont instal them, it wont hurt my feelings...


so seriously then, i need the springs, and retainers?

 

A answer to this question can only be answered with a question..

Do you want to buy a new motor?? If this answer is yes.. Please run the car with these cams on stock valvetrain..
If No.. Invest in a good valvetrain..

Supertech, Crower, Skunk2, rocket

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegraType-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A answer to this question can only be answered with a question..

Do you want to buy a new motor?? If this answer is yes.. Please run the car with these cams on stock valvetrain..
If No.. Invest in a good valvetrain..

Supertech, Crower, Skunk2, rocket</TD></TR></TABLE>
all i needed to know. thanks!

edit- what about titanium retainers? do i really need those? someone told me all i really need is the springs for right now, and titanium retains for when i get up to like a stage 3 cams... someone confirm, or flame, please?


Modified by fatpride111 at 8:24 AM 6/26/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude just sell me the cams and get something that ur top end will handle u wont make the power cause u have no high cr pistons and u cannot rev high enough top end is stock</TD></TR></TABLE>
there is ur answer if u want this cam to make power u need high cr pistons and valvetrain to rev high enough to make power

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there is ur answer if u want this cam to make power u need high cr pistons and valvetrain to rev high enough to make power </TD></TR></TABLE>
are you retarded?

 

why he needs upgraded valvetrain for those cams and higher cr pistons I had those cams now Im on spec v.
my friend put those cams in his type r and made close to 200 I put those cams in my ls vtec set up with 11.5 je pistons and upgraded valetrain made 233

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why he needs upgraded valvetrain for those cams and higher cr pistons I had those cams now Im on spec v.
my friend put those cams in his type r and made close to 200 I put those cams in my ls vtec set up with 11.5 je pistons and upgraded valetrain made 233 </TD></TR></TABLE>
alright. i just bought some buddyclub p1 springs off the HTmarket. got 'em right next to me. now my question is, am i stuck with buying the $310 buddyclub retainers, or would crower, skunk2, etc retainers fit? i called skunk 2, and said they should, but passwordJDM said they wouldnt...

i'm still searching around for a high cr piston. im leaning towards some type R's since theyre cheap, and oem. according to zealwerks, with the lscrank, pistons, and type r's my cr should be around 11.2:1. hopefuly that works pretty good with these cams

 

I think they will fit but not sure other companies retainers will fit what about ctr pistons I think with a gsr head the cr will be around 12.1 but not sure and I will go 81.50 on the piston If Im going to rebuild the motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think they will fit but not sure other companies retainers will fit what about ctr pistons I think with a gsr head the cr will be around 12.1 but not sure and I will go 81.50 on the piston If Im going to rebuild the motor</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmm, i called crower, and they needed the exact size of the spring, and my rpm range... and all sorts of info that probably had nothing to do with anything. no one seems to know. i'll keep asking around though.

the problem is getting the car tuned for the cr. i figured 11.1:1 is easier to tune than 12:1. im probably wrong, but... meh. (i'm going to phearable.net and get a custom eprom chip as a tune, btw)

we probably are going to have to hone, and possibly bore the cylinder walls, so 81.5 might be an option. i mean the reason we're rebuilding is because i fried my piston rings, and dont know how much damage i caused.

 

Ok, another hilarious thread.

Seriously, mis-matching springs and retainers can lead to a very short lived motor. Now, why didn't you do a little research before you bought the BC springs?
You should run the retainer that was designed for the spring or vice versa.

Ok having said that when you buy a VT you need to check the fit between the spring and the retainer. If they have any play then that can lead to premature failure. The retainer should snap in to place and be held, to quote old english, 'fast'.

For you, I would not recommend Ti. They need regular checking. Right now, you are not ready for that exercise. You need a good CrMnV alloy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, another hilarious thread.

Seriously, mis-matching springs and retainers can lead to a very short lived motor. Now, why didn't you do a little research before you bought the BC springs?
You should run the retainer that was designed for the spring or vice versa.

Ok having said that when you buy a VT you need to check the fit between the spring and the retainer. If they have any play then that can lead to premature failure. The retainer should snap in to place and be held, to quote old english, 'fast'.

For you, I would not recommend Ti. They need regular checking. Right now, you are not ready for that exercise. You need a good CrMnV alloy. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i knew how much the retainers were, so its not like i bought the BC's out of no where, and decided to cheap out on parts now after buying some expensive springs!

i've just had 3 people tell me skunk2's work, since its all the basic size, and if they work then, great, i might save about hundread bucks, if they dont, then oh well, i saw it coming!

 

why u didnt get a combo package

 

Thank goodness you decided to go with an upgraded valve train..........as far as the retainers fitting, it is a good idea to make some calls to find out what would fit with those springs that are not Ti because like previously stated, they will need regular checking....and not just pulling the VC to look at them but taking them off the springs. Chrome-moly dunno if i spelled it right are the retainers you should be looking for......i believe crower has a set however i don't know how well they would fit or "snap on" to the springs which is why you need to find out......go to a local tuner shop and see if they have some in stock, take your springs and test it........only thing i can think of without buying the crower valve train.....don't even know how good they are....and im rambling yet again lol. Good luck bud

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i knew how much the retainers were, so its not like i bought the BC's out of no where, and decided to cheap out on parts now after buying some expensive springs!

i've just had 3 people tell me skunk2's work, since its all the basic size, and if they work then, great, i might save about hundread bucks, if they dont, then oh well, i saw it coming!</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL, did you read what I posted for content?

hmm, lets see what I replied.

1st paragraph 1st sentence, a warning about mismatched VT. 2nd sentence, do some research, 3rd sentence advice on buying VT parts.

2nd paragraph, how to check springs and retainers

3rd paragraph, I recommended a steel alloy retainer

I never mentioned cost.

Dude, I'm trying to help you by giving you salient advice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Godspeed07 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank goodness you decided to go with an upgraded valve train..........as far as the retainers fitting, it is a good idea to make some calls to find out what would fit with those springs that are not Ti because like previously stated, they will need regular checking....and not just pulling the VC to look at them but taking them off the springs. Chrome-moly dunno if i spelled it right are the retainers you should be looking for......i believe crower has a set however i don't know how well they would fit or "snap on" to the springs which is why you need to find out......go to a local tuner shop and see if they have some in stock, take your springs and test it........only thing i can think of without buying the crower valve train.....don't even know how good they are....and im rambling yet again lol. Good luck bud </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good advice. Now, if he only listened.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

LOL, did you read what I posted for content?

hmm, lets see what I replied.

1st paragraph 1st sentence, a warning about mismatched VT. 2nd sentence, do some research, 3rd sentence advice on buying VT parts.

2nd paragraph, how to check springs and retainers

3rd paragraph, I recommended a steel alloy retainer

I never mentioned cost.

Dude, I'm trying to help you by giving you salient advice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i did listen.

1st paragraph &gt; i know mismatched sounds like a bad idea, but like i stated, skunk2 said theirs might work. the guy i spoke with said its the same basic spring, and dimensions.
2nd sentence &gt; stated that i did do some research, and will continue too till i have a definate answer.
3rd part &gt; kinda ignored cause i didnt know what those abreviations were

thanks, i appreciate the help, and im not trying to be a douche bag at all, i'll probably go to the import "head shop" thats not too far from here, and see what they say.

i called one shop, and they said they didnt carry and head components, but they could get them for me if i prepayed, and what not... so if this shop is out, then i'm kinda screwed. alot of the shops around here only carry bolt on parts.

edit- NO one around here has skunk2 or anything else retainers. i'll keep calling around... god texas sucks


Modified by fatpride111 at 2:47 PM 6/26/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why he needs upgraded valvetrain for those cams and higher cr pistons I had those cams now Im on spec v.
my friend put those cams in his type r and made close to 200 I put those cams in my ls vtec set up with 11.5 je pistons and upgraded valetrain made 233 </TD></TR></TABLE>
1) I know he has to upgraded the valvetrain, i said it..
2) He doesn't "need" high compression. Every motor reacts differently to a set of cams buddy.. because you gained 33whp means 3 things

Different day / climate, Different tune, and i assure you it doesn't matter its all different
btw there's no possible way you gained 33 whp from a set of bc IV cams and until you post some type of proof your bullshitting.

 

okay I will dig threw my crap and I will find it

 

and I was comparing a stock type R motor with this cams and my lsvtec with the same cams so ur telling me that a stock motor with spec IV cams makes the same power as a motor with higher cr

 

http://www.buddyclub.us/
read what they say about the spec IV now buddy club is also bullshiting

 

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