just like the title says, i got a stock gsr motor, and i have an ls crank. assuming everything is great, and balanced, is it possible to drop in the ls crank, and attach the stock gsr rods, and everything without mods?

TIA

edit- forgot to ask, what's the best, better flowing b-series oem intake mani?

TY again

 

pretty sure u need the LS rod , instead of gsr rod to go along with the ls crank . other than that , get some plugs for the oil squirters and measure your bearings

and the OEM ITR manifold flows well


Modified by blacK_Dc4 at 10:50 PM 6/25/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blacK_Dc4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty sure u need the longer LS rod , instead of gsr rod to go along with the ls crank . other than that , get some plugs for the oil squirters and measure your bearings

and the OEM ITR manifold flows well </TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. Plug the oil squirters and use ls rods with some P30 pistons or ITR or GSR.

 

are ls rods manditory?

how do i plug the oil squirters?

anything other than the itr mani?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are ls rods manditory?

how do i plug the oil squirters?

anything other than the itr mani?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Read this
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1837872

Also, what head are you going to use? An OEM ITR mani. won't bolt up to a gsr head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blacK_Dc4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty sure u need the longer LS rod </TD></TR></TABLE>

Good info here...

 

Shorter ls rod......for teh piston to deck height

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Combustion Contraption &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Good info here... </TD></TR></TABLE>
but i just looked it up and gsr rods are longer... 137.00mm = ls connecting rod, and 137.90mm = gsr connecting rod.

thats also why when i do this... http://www.zealautowerks.com/ the combo of the ls crank in the gsr, w/ ls rods gives me like a -1.0:1 compression ration LESS than just the gsr rods/block w/ ls crank.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all-mtr-teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also, what head are you going to use? An OEM ITR mani. won't bolt up to a gsr head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

gsr head. its an all stock gsr motor atm (aside from i/h/e).

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shorter ls rod......for teh piston to deck height</TD></TR></TABLE>
so i have to run ls rods?

i guess i shoulda stated that i'm also gonna be running some BC4 cam's in it now that the motor is gonna be torn apart

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
but i just looked it up and gsr rods are longer... 137.00mm = ls connecting rod, and 137.90mm = gsr connecting rod.

thats also why when i do this... http://www.zealautowerks.com/ the combo of the ls crank in the gsr, w/ ls rods gives me like a -1.0:1 compression ration LESS than just the gsr rods/block w/ ls crank.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, thats CC for ya, always being sarcastic over the internetz where its hard to tell you're being sarcastic and then confusing people.

 

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so i have to run ls rods?
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You arent leaving yourself with much room between the piston and head if you run the gsr rods. Oh and your piston is also coming very close to over shooting the deck of the engine..........thats not a good thing.

Since you're already on zealautowerks, check out how the piston to deck height changes when you switch from rod to rod.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You arent leaving yourself with much room between the piston and head if you run the gsr rods. Oh and your piston is also coming very close to over shooting the deck of the engine..........thats not a good thing.

Since you're already on zealautowerks, check out how the piston to deck height changes when you switch from rod to rod. </TD></TR></TABLE>
-0.002 w/ gsr rod

damn, i'll have to look for some ls rods then.
what about the cam's? do those affect the setup at all?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
-0.002 w/ gsr rod

damn, i'll have to look for some ls rods then.
what about the cam's? do those affect the setup at all?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do they effect the setup in what way?

I think there are some ls rods laying around this shop I frequent.......I can look for ya.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You arent leaving yourself with much room between the piston and head if you run the gsr rods. Oh and your piston is also coming very close to over shooting the deck of the engine..........thats not a good thing.

Since you're already on zealautowerks, check out how the piston to deck height changes when you switch from rod to rod. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Also, remember to keep in mind the block should be decked and the head resurfaced, so that will also affect p2h and p2v clearances and CR a bit.

 

ok i got a twist to this one

dropping a rotating assembly from a ls into a p72 block, block squiters because the ls feeds oil from the rods.

what about putting a gsr assemble in a ls block? since the gsr feeds oil from the squiters, whats happens in a ls block?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok i got a twist to this one

dropping a rotating assembly from a ls into a p72 block, block squiters because the ls feeds oil from the rods.

what about putting a gsr assemble in a ls block? since the gsr feeds oil from the squiters, whats happens in a ls block?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Everything explodes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Do they effect the setup in what way?

I think there are some ls rods laying around this shop I frequent.......I can look for ya.</TD></TR></TABLE> You can also check that the GSR rod is .077 in. thinner on the big end, that may have an effect on side rod clearance, not sure tho.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Do they effect the setup in what way?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
anyway at all, in just curious

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BMo Tuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think there are some ls rods laying around this shop I frequent.......I can look for ya. </TD></TR></TABLE>

would you mind?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all-mtr-teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Also, remember to keep in mind the block should be decked and the head resurfaced, so that will also affect p2h and p2v clearances and CR a bit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

true. you think a resurfacing would be enough to have p2v hitting?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You can also check that the GSR rod is .077 in. thinner on the big end, that may have an effect on side rod clearance, not sure tho.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

so... ls rods are manditory then?

 

This thread is hilarious.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so... ls rods are manditory then?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ls rods and crank, p30 or itr pistons. Remove the oil squirters and plug the holes or bend them out of the way.


Modified by mar778c at 11:24 PM 6/25/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You can also check that the GSR rod is .077 in. thinner on the big end, that may have an effect on side rod clearance, not sure tho.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nah ya see honda made the LS cranks smart, they know when a GSR rod has been bolted to them and they then shrink the journals so that you have proper side clearance on da rods.


Modified by BMo Tuning at 9:59 PM 6/25/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This thread is hilarious.
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why does everyone keep saying that about my threads??

umm.. we i'll just assume i need ls rods, to be on the safe side. what exactly is the purpose of plugging the oil squirters?


Modified by fatpride111 at 8:00 PM 6/25/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatpride111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
why does everyone keep saying that about my threads??

umm.. we i'll just assume i need ls rods, to be on the safe side.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you even bother to read the thread I posted?

 

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Did you even bother to read the thread I posted?</TD></TR></TABLE>
first one? i went through the thread and it didnt help me very much since i got people telling me all kinds of things, so i dont know what to believe now!

second one, i got that in mind, i saw the piston to deck height, which is why i said i'll take it as a manditory rod swap.

i just cant find an answer to the oil squirter question