I dunno, I've kind of been noticing this for a few months now.

No nitrous, no turbo or supercharger.

It just seems that sooner or later a guy starts accumulating parts to up the power on your NA car. You start the hobby, likely with a simple swap, learn some stuff, start bolting stuff on, and eventually find yourself in the block and head and eventually with Hondata or Crome on the mind.

As a Noob (still am, in my mind) I started looking at cheap swaps like the b16 at say 160hp. Then you see the b18c5 at say 200hp but it's more than double the money. Surely you can toss a few things on that b16 and whoop that b18c5, for less money.

Seems that every time I look at the stuff I want to do to this other B16 I have, that it ends up being well over $5000 and I could simply do an ITR Type R swap with little or no headaches and have some pretty serious dependability. And it ends up cheaper.

Is it possible to build a solid 200+ horsepower engine for less than $5000? including the price of the engine and trans.

General observation for the sake of debate, Under $5000 and 200hp it's $1000 per 10 horsepower to build your NA engine.

Is there a "truly" a best bang for the buck engine? Perhaps the b20/vtec?

I don't know, Just thinking out loud, and I'm tired of buying B16 parts... ...lol...

 

H2B all the way. You already have the trans and axles and all the other b-series stuff you need. Get an h22 longblock, the H2B kit of your choice,a swap header, tune and rock out 200whp on a stock motor (or close to 200).

Search H2B and all your dreams will be answered

 

i agree. you could sell the b16 and buy an h22 without losing any money. Then your only cost is the adapter kit, with bolt ons you'll be at 200whp, watch that hood clearance tho

 

H2B is prolly the cheapest and most effective way.

You could make a gsr have 200 crank with little modification though.

 

you might even be lucky to find someoen to do a straight trade on your b16 for an h22.

 

I'll sell you my engine, it should make 210whp.....if i ever get my head back

Anywho, like everyone else said the h2b is the best bang for the buck.

 

or F22a for ~100
bisi 12:1 pistons ~479
ported head ~ 500
bisi springs and retainers ~ 359
bisi stage 3 cam ~ 569
adapter kit `~ 649
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$2656

might as well round to 3k, but you'll have a freshly built motor instead of a used one. That setup is more than capable of 200whp, with less hood clearance issues since the SOHC head is about an inch shorter.

Just another option that most people sleep on.

 

$2000 B18 build. 81.5mm, 12:1 pistons, stock rods with ARP rod bolts, B18A/B block core, etc.
$1400 Headwork with valvetrain. Use your b16 head you have(?)
$700 Camshafts, skunk2
$400 Head studs, gaskets, timing belt, tensioner, water pump.
$600 Hytech style header

Thats a little over $5000 right there, and I know its anot all the the parts you need to make it all work, but the rest is minor parts. Thats a potential 200-215hp motor easily.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$2000 B18 build. 81.5mm, 12:1 pistons, stock rods with ARP rod bolts, B18A/B block core, etc.
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You can replace that b18 build with a b20R from rs machine. Its an 84.5mm b20 block with itr pistons, arp bolts, blueprinted and balanced and assembled for $2000.

http://www.raceaxis.com/produc...d=405

Put a gsr/b16 head on it with a good IM and a tune and you should make 200whp or more on stock cams with no headwork.

Plus you'll have mad torques.

 

$1500 LS b18b1 block, 11.5-12:1cr piston, ARP rod bolts, ACL bearings, ITR oil/water pump, blue print/balanced and assembled.
$1200 B16 head Port/polish 3 angle vj
$350 Supertech springs/retainers
$600 skunk stage 2 cams with adjustable cam gears
$250 JG edlebrock manifold port matched
$450 tri y header
$200 68mm TB
a little over 4k and 200WHP to 220WHP.... lmk

 

Get a definitive goal in mind then it is easy to figure out how much to spend.

But given that you drive an ef, I would say sleeve a b18c to 2L or B20vtec.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20vtech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$1500 LS b18b1 block, 11.5-12:1cr piston, ARP rod bolts, ACL bearings, ITR oil/water pump, blue print/balanced and assembled.
$1200 B16 head Port/polish 3 angle vj
$350 Supertech springs/retainers
$600 skunk stage 2 cams with adjustable cam gears
$250 JG edlebrock manifold port matched
$450 tri y header
$200 68mm TB
a little over 4k and 200WHP to 220WHP.... lmk</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$2000 B18 build. 81.5mm, 12:1 pistons, stock rods with ARP rod bolts, B18A/B block core, etc.
$1400 Headwork with valvetrain. Use your b16 head you have(?)
$700 Camshafts, skunk2
$400 Head studs, gaskets, timing belt, tensioner, water pump.
$600 Hytech style header

Thats a little over $5000 right there, and I know its anot all the the parts you need to make it all work, but the rest is minor parts. Thats a potential 200-215hp motor easily.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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You can replace that b18 build with a b20R from rs machine. Its an 84.5mm b20 block with itr pistons, arp bolts, blueprinted and balanced and assembled for $2000.

http://www.raceaxis.com/produc...d=405

Put a gsr/b16 head on it with a good IM and a tune and you should make 200whp or more on stock cams with no headwork.

Plus you'll have mad torques.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You guys are all forgeting axles, ecu, tranny, injectors, etc. There is a lot more to building a motor than block and head. You will not be able to assemble a motor, with a lsd tranny, ecu, complete and running with more hp than a b18c5 for less money, and if you can it won't be by much. A built LS/vtec or b20/v is far more expensive than 5k to build correctly. Plus you have to worry about tunning, running pump gas, longevety, etc. It sounds to me like the OP would be best served by purchasing a running b18c5 and calling it a day.

Can you make more than 195 crank hp for under 5k? Certainly. Can you build a more well rounded package than a b18c5 with lsd for less? I don't know.

 

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You guys are all forgeting axles, ecu, tranny, injectors, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

he already has a b16 swap (according to sig).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Thats a potential 200-215hp motor easily.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't call anything past 200 on a 81 bore "easy."

 

Gotta include the entire engine and trans. You can leave out the axles and clutch though, for the sake of debate.

Kind of like you were doing a swap, gonna need everything else.

 

My vote is for the H2B

 

$1000 H2B
$400 H22 head/IM/VC
$1000 custom header
$450 87mm K20 pistons
$150 97 F23Ax block
$300 supertech valvetrain
$700 Skunk2 Pro 2 cams
$600 bearings/seals/timing belt/waterpump/bore/hone

230whp 175wtq
2307ccs
Stock head
$4600, less if you pick up deals here and there with a lot of room to grow.

 

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I wouldn't call anything past 200 on a 81 bore "easy."</TD></TR></TABLE>

We made 230 on Church's dynapack 3-4 years ago. 12:1 compression, oem rods, 81.5mm bore, our cyl head. Webcams. Hytech header copy, Skunk2 intake manifold.

how easy does that sound? its nothing crazy. they tuned it, it showed that much power. the numbers dont lie. lol. should I call BS on their dyno?

 

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We made 230 on Church's dynapack 3-4 years ago... should I call BS on their dyno?</TD></TR></TABLE>



Church's is well known for having a very optimistic dyno. That's a 210whp motor on pretty much every other dyno.

Now if you put down 230 at Bubba's shop....

 

ok so it made 230 on Church's. 210 somewhere else. Its still over 200hp. 81.5mm/oem rods/12:1 comp. still easy. how much more basic can you get.

 

in 04' on the omniman video,he made 195 on bubba's at trackmasters,then went to churches the next day and made 206. thats 11hp from a low reading dyno.

 

LOL. thats not the point. you guys are taking it a diff direction. hehe.
He was saying 200hp is not "easy." I was just saying, a simple set can make good power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL. thats not the point. you guys are taking it a diff direction. hehe.
He was saying 200hp is not "easy." I was just saying, a simple set can make good power. </TD></TR></TABLE>

very true. if you got the time shop around and get good deals. theres nothing wrong with used stuff. i just bought a set of s2s2 cams new in tha box for 450$ shipped ls-v ftw

 

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very true. if you got the time shop around and get good deals. theres nothing wrong with used stuff. i just bought a set of s2s2 cams new in tha box for 450$ shipped ls-v ftw </TD></TR></TABLE>

H2b!! stock motor that will run mid to low 12's.... easy...

very comparable to a K20 swap... talking 1/4 mile times... for a whole lot cheaper!