I bought an edelbrock sandwich adapter to try to run the feed lines properly on my new turbo setup. I'm new to turbo's so please don't flame me for missing the obvious.

I finally got the turbo all setup and ready to go so i fired it up for the first time and just sat in the car for a minute to watch the idle, when i got out i noticed oil gushing out the back of the motor. I lost almost all of my oil in a matter of seconds. I ran to shut off my car but it actually shut itself off before i turned the key.

When I looked at it today I noticed the sandwich adapter doesn't actually screw all the way to the block. It's a few millimeters short of sealing to the block. Their shitty design may have blown my motor.

So now I guess I have to try and rig up the oil sensor feed line. Anyone know exactly what size the bolt is for the sensor?

 

ouch

 

there is an o-ring gasket that goes between the oil sandwich plate and the back of the block, did you use it?

 

If your talking about the standard gasket it comes with than yes absolutely, but I'm talking about a few millimeters from the gasket to the block. It's a pretty large gap when you shine a light on it, unfortunately my garage is a little dark.

 

I always start my car when someone is around so they can look for any obvious leaks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I looked at it today I noticed the sandwich adapter doesn't actually screw all the way to the block. It's a few millimeters short of sealing to the block. Their shitty design may have blown my motor.
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Well, forgive my skepticism, but how is edelbrock going to engineer a product that doesn't work like that? Could you post a pic? What exactly is preventing it from contacting the block?

 

Did they send you the correct adaptor with the correct length threads and all that? I've never heard of anyone else having problems like this unless this one was the wrong one or manufactured wrong... if it isnt wrong Id contact them and tell your story because that shouldn't happen...

 

I can screw it on and take a pic next time I change the oil but for now I just spent the day putting brass fittings together for my oil feed and am happy to run this for now.

I know edelbrock obviously knows their stuff so likely my shop just gave me the wrong unit. I'll confirm the part number tomorrow with edelbrock. If I have the right adapter than I'll try to get pics so no one else almost toasts their motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can screw it on and take a pic next time I change the oil but for now I just spent the day putting brass fittings together for my oil feed and am happy to run this for now.

I know edelbrock obviously knows their stuff so likely my shop just gave me the wrong unit. I'll confirm the part number tomorrow with edelbrock. If I have the right adapter than I'll try to get pics so no one else almost toasts their motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe you should have done this before making a thread here bashing a manufacturer for something that might not have been their fault.

sorry not trying to be a dick but I just see this is becoming the trend in here alot lately, look at all the posts of people trying to bash quality manufacturers... its not a perfect world so it possible mistakes get made but be sure its their fault before you blame you motor almost blew up on them.

 

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maybe you should have done this before making a thread here bashing a manufacturer for something that might not have been their fault.

sorry not trying to be a dick but I just see this is becoming the trend in here alot lately, look at all the posts of people trying to bash quality manufacturers... its not a perfect world so it possible mistakes get made but be sure its their fault before you blame you motor almost blew up on them.</TD></TR></TABLE> I agree an educated post with pics etc would have helped his point... but just making a vague blunt statement with no visual data does not prove anything..Take your time settle your feelings 1st then make a post imo. not bashing you at all just trying to point you in the right direction.........

 

I agree and also am not trying to be rude to the OP, it could be just my misread or bad wording that makes it seem as if he is blaming the manufacturer solely.

Sorry to hear about the problems though, I know I would be shitting a brick if my first startup resulted in a pool of oil under my car. Glad to hear you caught it quickly enough that the motor was not hurt.

 

Wouldnt a sandwich adapter thats "few mm" off the block be loose and wiggle around like no tomorrow?

 

My original thinking was correct about the adapter. I called edelbrock today and gave them the part number, they said yes it was the correct part for my car because all Honda's use that same oil adapter - it's the same as an oil filter.
I explained the situation to the edelbrock technician and he recommended I take out the center piece and saw off the end a little bit so it fits tighter. I explained the rubber o-ring on the end is what keeps it in place and he said thats all he could think of to do.
Actually to think of it now, he might have meant he wanted me to cut a little piece off my filter screw on the block, that would make more sense, but he did say to cut the adapter piece.
I don't want to cut the end off so I'm just going to try and return it to my shop and see what they say.

How a tight fit is supposed to look


The black is the gap behind the adapter not the gasket - which would have to be huge to seal properly


The o-ring he wanted me to cut off


Maybe I'm missing something but to me it still looks like manufacturing error

 

Is it possible your block's threaded piece is sticking out too far? I've seen plenty of 'beat' blocks, some people do some REALLY strange things to fix ****.

Try threading just that steel adapter peice on, then measure how far down it goes. then measure the thickness of the adapter.

The only other thing I can think of is how you installed it. They recommend using a 1/2" allen wrench in the end of the steel peice. If you were hand-spinning or had a allen wrench through the threaded holes, it may not make it all the way down.

http://www.edelbrock.com/autom...0.pdf

 

that gap is huge dude.

are you tellin me your garage is so dark you couldn't see that HUGE gap before starting your car up?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that gap is huge dude.

are you tellin me your garage is so dark you couldn't see that HUGE gap before starting your car up?</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2, even if something did happen to your motor i would blame it on you for not noticing that

never heard of this before from the edelbrock sandwich plate, the off brand ones are a hit or miss like everything else off brand.

 

Not noticing the gap was an amateur mistake, it just wasn't something I thought to look for. This is my first turbo setup I have a lot to think of. When I tightened it with the Allen wrench I just thought it was tightening to the block, not just tightening to the end of the threads on the middle piece.

If someone can tell me how long the filter screw coming out of the block is supposed to be I'll see if mine is the correct length and measure the adapter length.

 

are you sure you arent missing a washer that is supposed to go between the center nut and the aluminum housing piece? this should place the sandwhich adapter against the block, and you would not have to cut the o ring portion of the center nut off.

i know the golden eagle sandwich adapters come with an aluminum washer that goes between the adapter and center nut piece

 

btw looks like you have a coolant leak too

 

being as it can break down to two pieces is there any chance that the big aluminum part is on backwards? like the center screw part should go in on the other side?

idk cause ive never used one on my setups but it looks like a possibility

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw looks like you have a coolant leak too</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was wondering how long before someone said this. I blew my head gasket a few days ago, it was a cometic and I used copper spray on it. it blew after only 200km's, some guys say because of the copper spray. Went with OEM this time.

As for the adapter, it's definitely in correct and according to edelbrock I am not missing any pieces.
I was talking to the guy that sold it to me today and he said with absolute certainty the filter screw is different lengths for model Honda. He said he has personally seen five laid out beside each other from different Honda's and they were all different lengths. I guess the GSR is a long one. He said on his GSR he also has to cut the filter screw end off to use his adapter - which wasn't edelbrock but I can't remember what brand he said. Learn something new everyday.

 

now again, i havent messed much with them cause ive never had this problem. but those oem filter screw that is attached to the block can unscrew from the block cant it? can you just replace that with a shorter one, like a civic from a pull yourself junkyard?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that gap is huge dude.

are you tellin me your garage is so dark you couldn't see that HUGE gap before starting your car up?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know I definitely don't check for gaps every time I'm sitting under my car changing the oil filter and I'm sure tons of other ppl don't either. It's not like you can just see that without a flashlight plus it's natural to just expect something like that to fit (like a filter does).

To the OP, just a heads up if you ever go with a cometic head gasket again they aren't supposed to go on with copper spray, I checked on that before I did mine. Let us know what happens with the sandwich plate

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know I definitely don't check for gaps every time I'm sitting under my car changing the oil filter and I'm sure tons of other ppl don't either. It's not like you can just see that without a flashlight plus it's natural to just expect something like that to fit (like a filter does).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Assumption is the mother of all.. well you know the rest. I always check if the oil filter is tight and not leaking with a flashlight. Also he wasnt installing an oil filter, but rather a sandwich adapter, definately should check its not leaking, before driving off. Now he probably has a seized engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HONDACIVC93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now again, i havent messed much with them cause ive never had this problem. but those oem filter screw that is attached to the block can unscrew from the block cant it? can you just replace that with a shorter one, like a civic from a pull yourself junkyard?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes I believe I could just replace it with a smaller one. For now i just have my feed line from a brass fitting from the oil sending unit. When I have time I may go to the junkyard and get one because I really prefer the sandwich adapter feed rather than sending unit.

The motor isn't blown, I found out it actually choked itself out because it was running too rich. I must have done something to my FPR when changing my head gasket. I got pretty lucky I guess.