For those interested, NHRA does have FWD classes in Stock Eliminator. Below is just a sample of what you can find. There are also FWD classes in Super Stock, and you can run AWD (i.e. Eagle Talon) in Super Stock.

Honda - 06-07 Civic 2 Dr Si
Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon - 91-95 FWD & AWD
Dodge - 95-04 Neon, 91-92 Daytona, Spirit, Shadow
Chevy - 04-05 Cavalier, 05-08 Cobalt

You can search what is already available at http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs....html

If you do not see your car on the list, it can be added. It requires the manufacturer to send some paperwork to NHRA and might take several months but it is possible.

For the 2006 Honda Civic 2 Dr SI, NHRA has rated the horsepower at 197hp. So the car would have to weigh 2803 lbs + 170 lbs for the driver = 2973 lbs total. The car falls into the AF/S class so the index would be 14.15. Remember, this is Stock, so the engine/head/cam pretty much has to stay stock.


Modified by DodgeStocker at 9:04 AM 6/19/2008

 

I see Bill Owen is the current record holder in that class and 2 others.

13.62 on a 14.15 index is fair.

I'm not sure many guy's here realize what it takes to run way under the index.

It would be interesting to see what a 06-07 Si can do in the right hands.

I used to enjoy watching the stockers pull the left front wheel back in my day.

 

kishs' car is n/a.

 

can you explain the difference between stock and super stock?

i believe someone said superstock is more leeway with your mods you can do. can you explain more?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RPRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can you explain the difference between stock and super stock?

i believe someone said superstock is more leeway with your mods you can do. can you explain more?</TD></TR></TABLE>

There still arn't many changes that you can make for super stock. Ask TOYOTATURBO about that. We took my stock street talon all the way to Lebanon Valley for a race an they said he wasn't legal for stupid things like there was no radio or plate where the radio should have been. They said the tread on the tires wasn't enough.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DodgeStocker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For those interested, NHRA does have FWD classes in Stock Eliminator. Below is just a sample of what you can find. There are no FWD classes in Super Stock, but you can run AWD (i.e. Eagle Talon) in Super Stock.

Honda - 06-07 Civic 2 Dr Si
Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon - 91-95 FWD & AWD
Dodge - 95-04 Neon, 91-92 Daytona, Spirit, Shadow
Chevy - 04-05 Cavalier, 05-08 Cobalt

You can search what is already available at http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs....html

If you do not see your car on the list, it can be added. It requires the manufacturer to send some paperwork to NHRA and might take several months but it is possible.

For the 2006 Honda Civic 2 Dr SI, NHRA has rated the horsepower at 197hp. So the car would have to weigh 2803 lbs + 170 lbs for the driver = 2973 lbs total. The car falls into the AF/S class so the index would be 14.15. Remember, this is Stock, so the engine/head/cam pretty much has to stay stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>

When we wanted to race this series the eclipse/talon/laser wasn't accepted. We went throught the proccess and got them to add these cars.

 

whether your thinking about running stock or super stock, remember, stock is exactly what it means, stock head castings, stock valve size, stock intake manifold, stock stock stock, but you can have headers. like 1992si said, to run under the index in stock eliminator it will take A LOT.
superstock, you still cant run a t/s or sfwd setup. now this is the class that you can run an all motor honda though, ive always thought about super stock and running a rwd ek coupe with a b-series/gforce tranny setup, or if thats not enough, a s2000 engine/gforce setup. that will definately run under its index. and as mentioned in other threads, comp eliminator is trying to broaden the rules to let the pro fwd cars in. but as for the sfwd/ts setups i dont see where they fit into a divisional class right now.

 

Could someone explain to me exactly how NHRA racing works? I've read the NHRA website but I guess I'm used to thinking in terms of NOPI sportsman rules where the modifications are spelled out.

Lets say I'm a new sportsman racer and I wanted to race Super Stock with a turbo honda or eagle talon so I can have some modifications. How do I know what I can and can't modify? How do I build a car for Super Stock?

What kind of cars/setups would I be racing against?

Thanks for the help,
J.

 

First get the NHRA rule book. it's all in there.

I believe a SFWD/TS car would fit into the Modified classes some where. I don't have my rule book with me. But based on "back in my day" Mod and Super Mod were allowed to have more modifications and still required to have full interiors.

Most of those cars ran high 9 and mid 10's. At over 3000 lbs.

When you realize what your watching, cars up to 3400lbs or more running 10's it's impressive.

I had friends back then with a B/SM 66 Nova, small block, doug nash 5 speed, it would stand on it's rear bumper in 2nd gear. He had the photo from Etown on the wall in his shop. Impressive.

 

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Correct.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DodgeStocker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For those interested, NHRA does have FWD classes in Stock Eliminator. Below is just a sample of what you can find. There are no FWD classes in Super Stock, but you can run AWD (i.e. Eagle Talon) in Super Stock.

Honda - 06-07 Civic 2 Dr Si
Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon - 91-95 FWD & AWD
Dodge - 95-04 Neon, 91-92 Daytona, Spirit, Shadow
Chevy - 04-05 Cavalier, 05-08 Cobalt

You can search what is already available at http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs....html

If you do not see your car on the list, it can be added. It requires the manufacturer to send some paperwork to NHRA and might take several months but it is possible.

For the 2006 Honda Civic 2 Dr SI, NHRA has rated the horsepower at 197hp. So the car would have to weigh 2803 lbs + 170 lbs for the driver = 2973 lbs total. The car falls into the AF/S class so the index would be 14.15. Remember, this is Stock, so the engine/head/cam pretty much has to stay stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You must realize that, even though they have spots for Hondas, most people aren't trying to race 06/07 Hondas in this class (or any other). Your car's year must be the year they allow. In other words, you can't race with a 1992 Civic if they allow 06/07 Civics. If your car came as a single cam engine, you must race with a single cam engine. Yes, someone will know this fact, and yes they WILL complain! Your clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel ALL must be SFI Certified. They will make you tear your car down to see these things. NO, you can't run stock Honda clutch, pressure plate, flywheel. No Acuras allowed. Why not, you ask? Because it's not in the rulebook! We all know it's a Honda Product, but it doesn't matter. Most of us disqualify ourselves from this class when we add ONE thing to our car. Cold air intakes? NOT ALLOWED! Must run the stock intake! Must have full interior! I was disqualified from one Stock Eliminator event because I didn't have one speaker cover and a blank panel where the radio was supposed to go. Read the class rules cover to cover before you put yourself through trying to qualify for Stock Eliminator. Most of us don't have 3000 lb. Civics/CRX's....but they sure do require them! To me, the rules seem very relaxed for the 3 million Chevy Camaro's in these classes, while we're teched to death! I could go on and on, but just realize that you better have all your stuff together before trying to do this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1992Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see Bill Owen is the current record holder in that class and 2 others.

13.62 on a 14.15 index is fair.

I'm not sure many guy's here realize what it takes to run way under the index.

It would be interesting to see what a 06-07 Si can do in the right hands.

I used to enjoy watching the stockers pull the left front wheel back in my day.

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Bill Owen is also doing 13's in a supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix, which is legal for him to have. It is very difficult to run under the index in Stock Eliminator.

 

these classes are tough good to see one of my fuel customers 2nd on the national record list just set it last weekend at Bandimere

SS/A 8.95 150.14 06/14/08 Billy Ray Boyd - Norwood, CO Morrison, CO

 

Lumbercis,

NHRA doesn't post the runs online for the series like they did for Sport Compact. The best thing you could do would be buy an NHRA Rulebook, it will let you know what the acceptable mods are.

The next best thing you could do would be to befriend a racer who already races Stock or Super Stock. They will be able to help with questions you have that you can't find in the rulebook and they will be able to help give you some insight into how other racers gain horsepower while staying within NHRAs guidelines. Example, in Stock(FWD) you use a stock cam with a max. lift of .430-inch or OEM, whichever is greater. But you can change the duration, which is where you can gain some horespower.

We raced NHRA for years before building a Stocker and we were still lost - we just asked lots of questions. I cam imagine how difficult it would be for someone who has never attended a national or divisional race.

 

I would love to run one of the index classes.

 

There are also a few classes in Super Stock available.

These are all naturally aspirated.
ES/SS - 15.50 pounds per cubic inch with a max. displacement of 165 ci. 4-cylinder only
FS/SS - 16.50 pounds per cubic inch with a max. displacement of 155 ci.
GS/SS - 18 pounds per cubic inch, 4-cylinder FWD only. Max displacement 230ci.

So a 06 Civic SI (NHRA factory weight 2804) with 122ci would have to weigh
1891 + 170 for driver = 2061 for ES with an index of 12.55
2013 + 170 = 2183 for FS with an index of 12.75
2196 + 170 = 2366 for GS with an index of 14.30.

Remember your goal is to be able to run .50-under the index so when you run at a national event where they are run class eliminations and you are the only one in your class, you win contingency money$$$$$$. If you buy the right products you could bring home $400-$600 for showing up and running .50 under the index.

 

thats right up my alley then. my ITR has a 2168cc (132ci) motor in it. which means i would have to weigh 2046+ 170 (driver)=2216. which is pretty much where i'm at now. and with this motor will definately be a consistant 12.0 car without revving to the moon.

now to just get my body allowed!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lumbercis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could someone explain to me exactly how NHRA racing works? I've read the NHRA website but I guess I'm used to thinking in terms of NOPI sportsman rules where the modifications are spelled out.

Lets say I'm a new sportsman racer and I wanted to race Super Stock with a turbo honda or eagle talon so I can have some modifications. How do I know what I can and can't modify? How do I build a car for Super Stock?

What kind of cars/setups would I be racing against?

Thanks for the help,
J. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, you'd have to go with an Eagle Talon because a turbo Honda isn't on the Accepted Vehicle List. We had to send one of our rods (Eagle H Beam) to NHRA because it wasn't on the accepted list. We tried to race an Eagle Talon in Super Stock before. I don't have my rulebook with me but I can elaborate as soon as I get to it what you can and can't do. One thing I've been told is that you're not allowed a bigger than stock turbo. Stock intercooler pipes, blowoff valve, etc. All of that must be stock. I was kicked out for having an aftermarket blowoff valve and upper intercooler pipe. They're strict on EVERYTHING. You can ask other Stock/Super Stock racers questions until the cows come home. What can they really tell you about what's legal on a Honda or an Eagle Talon considering that 99% of what races in those classes is a carbureted V-8? I'll tell you some ways you can "get around the rules" as they are written if you ask me for advice.

 

are you going to be at MIR for the BOTI event? if so, can you bring your NHRA rulebook so i can glance over it? I wont be at my local track this weekend.

 

Is it me or does racing a stock car seem kinda boring?

 

its not you, racing our super stocker is pretty boring

 

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FIXED

 

is there any class in the NHRA that is run whatever with whatever mods and just need to run XX.XX index?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boner_Ben &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it me or does racing a stock car seem kinda boring?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess you have never seen a mid-late 70's Old's station wagon lift the left front tire on the launch.

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That's called brackets...

Last Saturday night at NED Epping IHRA we watched there index class's 11.50 10.50 9.50 8.50
I don't know to much but it was fun to watch. I don't have a 2008 rule book for them only the 07 book. It list a Hot Rod class with a 10.90 index, ... for 4 cylinder cars min weight is 1200lbs w/driver.

Super Rod 9.90 index not much about weights in the book.

 

Ben here's some stockers for you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

Ed Bednaz if it's the same guy, was someone I used to watch in the late 70's.