I'm planning a turbo setup i'm doing for a guy i met. He has a stock b16 and is looking for a daily driver setup. Nothing crazy about a 250 whp goal off 9-10 psi. Any suggestions on a decent turbo. I'm thinking 57 trim but i don't want him to be laggy as far as spool time with the 1.6. However i don't want too small of a turbo and have it **** all over itself after 6-7k rpms. Let me know what you guys think.
Thanks,
Dan

 

The t3/t4 57 trim would be a great turbo for that motor and power goals. Or if you feel like going baller status, you can go with a gt28rs

 

i made 250whp with the ebay 57trim@7psi/log mani/2.5"dp on a bone stock b16a.

 

I would do a 50 trim if I were you. It will give you a little bit better spool up and good power if you want to go higher someday. GL.

 

btw, i think i had full boost around 5400 rpm's.

 

Isnt a T3/T4 57 trim a proven turbo not only for 250WHP but for 400+WHP B & D series engines. I just like the fact that on a B16, you could have low boost 8-10psi and be around 280WHP-300WHP and then hight boost of ~18psi and be around 400WHP on 93 octane. If I were you I would go with the 57 trim because it works great now and still gives you room to grow after just simply slapping in some pistons and rods and turn up the boost and run mid 11's

 

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these are two vastly different turbos. 57 trim is capable of up to 400whp, while the GT28RS is capable of up to 300-320whp.

IMO, if you REALLY only want 250whp, maybe 300whp max, GT28RS, or a SMALL t3. Absolutely no reason to be running a large turbo at low boost. Run a smaller turbo at a higher boost level. You'll still have great top end, and your spool will be significantly faster.

 

i would also suggest something smaller than a 57 trim. a 50 trim with a .48 a/r will do fine, if budget allows a gt28rs would also be a good choice.

 

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Yea, that's what i figured.

Good choice.

 

i never hear alot of people using the 50 trim though. Nor do i ever see a lot of vendors selling them or even carrying them? Anyone have some opinions on the 50 trim?

 

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Just about any vendor that carries the garrett t3/t4 turbo line (which is likely EVERY vendor on here) would have access to the 50 trim. There is no point asking about "opinions" about it. It's a good turbo. If you want to know spool times and max power just search for it on here. GL.

 

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this is true too. Much cheaper than a GT28RS, but a different turbo.

 

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these are two vastly different turbos. 57 trim is capable of up to 400whp, while the GT28RS is capable of up to 300-320whp.

IMO, if you REALLY only want 250whp, maybe 300whp max, GT28RS, or a SMALL t3. Absolutely no reason to be running a large turbo at low boost. Run a smaller turbo at a higher boost level. You'll still have great top end, and your spool will be significantly faster.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are two completely different turbos...i was just giving him two different options in case he was looking for more power eventually (as we know most of us do). I just didn't explain that like I should have...my apologies.

 

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They are two completely different turbos...i was just giving him two different options in case he was looking for more power eventually (as we know most of us do). I just didn't explain that like I should have...my apologies. </TD></TR></TABLE>

no worries man. If I wanted to keep a t2 frame turbo and wanted room to grow, I'd probably pick up a GT2871R. Better top end flow than the 28RS and more hp capability out of it, while being ball bearing.

That is of course assuming I had $1200 to spend on the turbo! LOL!

 

If you're only looking for 250whp and want quick spool, a 57 trim is NOT a good choice for you. I would suggest either the T3 Super60 or a T3/T04e 50trim. Those would hit full boost much quicker than the 57 trim and hit your power goals with ease.

 

14b

 

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The 14b is not even an option for his setup IMO. It is much too small to make any kind of useable power (other than right off idle) with a B16. The turbo will spool much too fast to be usable and will die off up top due to the small turbine wheel and housing. If any DSM turbo is going to be used, the Evo 16g would be the ONLY option; however, i still stand by my earlier suggestions.

 

Well he did say he didn't want a laggy turbo that can make 250whp...

 

full boost at ~5400rpms with the 57trim is NOT laggy.

 

Garrett t3 super 60 is a great turbo for your power goals. It is also very cheap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zex_cool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">full boost at ~5400rpms with the 57trim is NOT laggy. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I tend to disagree. I made full boost on my GT3255b at 3800rpm. I wouldn't go back to the added lag of the 57 trim knowing that there were viable alternatives. The 57 trim is a great turbo for a lot of people, but not for the OP's goals in this case.

 

boost lag = traction control, its a good thing.

 

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I respectfully disagree. More lag is lost time that you could be making power. If there are traction issues then sticky tires/quality suspension/traction bars should be implemented. For 250whp he should be able to find a good combo that will let him put damn near all of that power to the ground. I make full boost by 3800rpm with my hy35 and that is plenty of lag for me, sometimes to much.

 

im also looking for a turbo for my b16. what do u guys think about a t3 turbo. my goals are only to make 250 whp. also what about a t25 off of a sr20??? too small????

 

thanks for all the comments guys. I know it's personal opinion but having full boost after 5000 rpm's is not an option for this build. I get full boost in my gsr at 4200 rpm's with the 57 trim. So i don't think i'll be using that for the b16. I'll look into the 50 trim or something similar. Do you think a turbo such as the super 60 would start to run out of steam on a b16 tho? In the upper rpm range?