I am building my brothers motor and we decided to try the performer X manifold for the b16. I personally have a victor X myself, and the head he is running was my old b16 head. So I have a pretty good idea of where things need to be till the Performer X arrived this morning.

First thing I noticed when I mocked it up was the fact that the top center intake manifold stud had no hole to go through. I was thinking, ohh well maybe that open hole below it is used. So I looked behind there and there was a plug that was back there. I checked and that plug does not even line up with the open hole they machined, so scratch that idea. I figured I could remove the plug and thread the stud there, but it won't line up. Anyone else run into this problem? Do I simply use a nut with a huge washer to solve this???



Next I noticed that the coolant passages did not line up at all. Look at my hondata intake manifold gasket that I had been using on the same head for years and see how it lines up with the b16 performer X. Not only does it not have a hold for the top center intake manifold stud, but I also need to drill a hole for one of the outside mounting bolts which I outlined with a black marker. Did anyone else run into this as well??

Now how do I go about running the coolant lines? I need to run 2 lines. One LARGE main line going from the thermostat housing to the LARGE GOLD fitting.

Then what? Have that small fitting with the red square go to a fitting to the other red square? They did not even tap that out for me. Does this sound right? That large fitting seems way out of place, and my Victor X line up perfectly. Why is there soo many things I have to do to make this work? Is this really the way this works?

In this picture you can see the outline of the black marker where I marked where I need to drill a hold so I can put a bolt through there to get to one of the threaded holes for the intake manifold mounting. Also the location of the large fitting should be where the top red square should be. So now I have to run a small line of some sorts from that fitting coming from the large fitting to that small hole which needs to be tapped for the brass fitting. This just seems way off, and I do not understand why they did not make the flange exactly like the Victor X b16 manifold. I am completely lost at this point.



Here is the hondata b16/ITR intake manifold gasket laid out on both the victor X and performer X. As you can see the performer X requires me to run a large washer/nut for the center stud, and I need to drill a hole for one of the outer mounting bolts. On top of that the coolant passages don't line up.



Any help and insight to this would be great. I checked and the casting says this is the correct manifold. The victor X went on with no worries and/or modification. Am I just tripping here and am I doing it all wrong?



Modified by BodyKits NW at 12:40 PM 6/6/2008

 

This was my performer x manifold for b16

 

Yours looks to be an LS manifold

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Natural Aspirations &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yours looks to be an LS manifold

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Natural Aspirations &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yours looks to be an LS manifold</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yup, it sure does:


Performer X for B20 & B18 nonVTEC

 

This might be a big problem for them since the one I received was casted with the b16 part number. This can easily mean that other intake manifolds might suffer the same fate and be boxed in b16/ITR boxes, and casted with the part number, but casting is a LS/B20 manifold.

So this sucks big time because we ordered this rush so we can get the car running this weekend!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BodyKits NW &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This might be a big problem for them since the one I received was casted with the b16 part number. This can easily mean that other intake manifolds might suffer the same fate and be boxed in b16/ITR boxes, and casted with the part number, but casting is a LS/B20 manifold.

So this sucks big time because we ordered this rush so we can get the car running this weekend! </TD></TR></TABLE>


do you want to sell me it?

 

Let us know how it turns out (what Edelbrock says about it). I just put my Performer-X on my Z6 and had to grind some material off so the top left nut would clear. Not a big deal but it just added onto the madness after finding none of the plugs or barbs included, only the IM gasket.

 

like the others stated it seems as if its an ls manifold. Last weekend i installed a performer x IM on my b16 head part # 4774 and didn't have any of these problems with coolant passages or anything.

We did have to port match the manifold to the gasket which was no biggie

Bend a brake hardline on the firewall

And move my fuel filter

These were really the only problems we had and did not take long at all to adjust so it fits right.

 

some factory worker must of gotten lazy and forgot what went where when packing it.

 

it looks like you ordered the wrong manifold. you should be more careful in the future.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pu tang &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it looks like you ordered the wrong manifold. you should be more careful in the future. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Try reading the thread next time smart guy