Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!!
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Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!!
Background:
Original owner blew the motor and replaced the pistons with factory overbore pistons and rings. .25 over.
2000 Integra Type R
The car currently has
3" SRI w/ BPI velocity stack and K&N filter
Hytech Antireversion Header
2.5" Test pipe
T1R 2.5" Exhaust
Skunk2 Pro Series Cam Gears
I want to make close to 200whp, this is where I need your help.
I have Skunk2Stage2 CamShafts and ARP Head Studs in my room.
Im waiting on SuperTech Dual Valve Springs, Flat Faced Valves, Titanium Retainers, Valve Stem Seal, Bronze Valve Guides, Hondata IMG and Cometic 81.5mm .027
Whats everyone think of this build? I don't want to get into the bottom end.
Car Made 174whp and 123wtq on a Dynojet with just the I/H/E not tuned.
TY for your input!
Modified by WheaMyRyceGo at 11:18 PM 6/4/2008
Original owner blew the motor and replaced the pistons with factory overbore pistons and rings. .25 over.
2000 Integra Type R
The car currently has
3" SRI w/ BPI velocity stack and K&N filter
Hytech Antireversion Header
2.5" Test pipe
T1R 2.5" Exhaust
Skunk2 Pro Series Cam Gears
I want to make close to 200whp, this is where I need your help.
I have Skunk2Stage2 CamShafts and ARP Head Studs in my room.
Im waiting on SuperTech Dual Valve Springs, Flat Faced Valves, Titanium Retainers, Valve Stem Seal, Bronze Valve Guides, Hondata IMG and Cometic 81.5mm .027
Whats everyone think of this build? I don't want to get into the bottom end.
Car Made 174whp and 123wtq on a Dynojet with just the I/H/E not tuned.
TY for your input!
Modified by WheaMyRyceGo at 11:18 PM 6/4/2008
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (LiLJ0HN7i4)
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (WheaMyRyceGo)
you'll need a fuel pressure regulator, fuel pressure gauge and aftermarket fuel pump (190 or 255 walbro or something similar). get the motor tuned with hondata s200 or s300...maybe crome even. also, get a mechanical oil pressure gauge for that motor...just to keep an eye on the motor during those hard driving days
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (WheaMyRyceGo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WheaMyRyceGo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are bigger injectors needed?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you're planning on making over 200 whp, use the skunk2 stage 2 cams and bring in more air, i'd use RC 310's just to be safe. you don't want the motor to lean out while under load.
if you're planning on making over 200 whp, use the skunk2 stage 2 cams and bring in more air, i'd use RC 310's just to be safe. you don't want the motor to lean out while under load.
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (vtecb18c)
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why?
why?
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (00Red_SiR)
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why?</TD></TR></TABLE>
so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston
why?</TD></TR></TABLE>
so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (acydphryck)
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so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston </TD></TR></TABLE>
It looks like stock fuel pump can handle 200+ hp at low rpms but at high rpms you lose pressure, leads to lean conditions, leads to DANGER
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2142601
so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston
</TD></TR></TABLE>It looks like stock fuel pump can handle 200+ hp at low rpms but at high rpms you lose pressure, leads to lean conditions, leads to DANGER
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2142601
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (all-mtr-teg)
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From what I read, he's running an ITR and a fuel pump out of a GSR/ITR/SI all = 135 Lph which is more than enough to satisfy the OP's power goals and then some.
The link posted above was from the forced induction forum and it's only common sense that if you go FI, you change your fuel pump. FI engines require a lot more fuel for the same level of HP output compared to an all motor setup.
From what I read, he's running an ITR and a fuel pump out of a GSR/ITR/SI all = 135 Lph which is more than enough to satisfy the OP's power goals and then some.
The link posted above was from the forced induction forum and it's only common sense that if you go FI, you change your fuel pump. FI engines require a lot more fuel for the same level of HP output compared to an all motor setup.
Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (acydphryck)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by acydphryck »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you'll need a fuel pressure regulator, fuel pressure gauge and aftermarket fuel pump (190 or 255 walbro or something similar).</TD></TR></TABLE>
But why? That is horrible advice.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get the motor tuned with hondata s200 or s300...maybe crome even.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What about s100, uberdata, PowerFC and 100s of other ways to tune your car? I think the main point is to dyno tune the car with some sort of engine management. I think the s300 would just be overkill on this setup and the s200 has been discontinued.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, get a mechanical oil pressure gauge for that motor...just to keep an eye on the motor during those hard driving days</TD></TR></TABLE>
lolwut?
But why? That is horrible advice.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get the motor tuned with hondata s200 or s300...maybe crome even.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What about s100, uberdata, PowerFC and 100s of other ways to tune your car? I think the main point is to dyno tune the car with some sort of engine management. I think the s300 would just be overkill on this setup and the s200 has been discontinued.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, get a mechanical oil pressure gauge for that motor...just to keep an eye on the motor during those hard driving days
</TD></TR></TABLE>lolwut?
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (all-mtr-teg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by all-mtr-teg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It looks like stock fuel pump can handle 200+ hp at low rpms but at high rpms you lose pressure, leads to lean conditions, leads to DANGER
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2142601</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by acydphryck »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston </TD></TR></TABLE>
completely ultimately and entirely untrue... please stop retelling lies...
It looks like stock fuel pump can handle 200+ hp at low rpms but at high rpms you lose pressure, leads to lean conditions, leads to DANGER
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2142601</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by acydphryck »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so that you get enough fuel when you rev up to 10,000 rpms
stock fuel pump can only do so much...also, they cost around $100-$120 shipped. it's a lot cheaper to put one in than to replace a melted piston </TD></TR></TABLE>
completely ultimately and entirely untrue... please stop retelling lies...
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (00Red_SiR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....
From what I read, he's running an ITR and a fuel pump out of a GSR/ITR/SI all = 135 Lph which is more than enough to satisfy the OP's power goals and then some.
The link posted above was from the forced induction forum and it's only common sense that if you go FI, you change your fuel pump. FI engines require a lot more fuel for the same level of HP output compared to an all motor setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
x2 your itr pump will do you fine for 200 na power its been said stock injectors will to but it wont hurt to upgrade either, if you have the extra cash do it. It will give you room down the road for more power if you build that bottom end. I would opt for 370cc if your going to get bigger ones and get head work done.
From what I read, he's running an ITR and a fuel pump out of a GSR/ITR/SI all = 135 Lph which is more than enough to satisfy the OP's power goals and then some.
The link posted above was from the forced induction forum and it's only common sense that if you go FI, you change your fuel pump. FI engines require a lot more fuel for the same level of HP output compared to an all motor setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>
x2 your itr pump will do you fine for 200 na power its been said stock injectors will to but it wont hurt to upgrade either, if you have the extra cash do it. It will give you room down the road for more power if you build that bottom end. I would opt for 370cc if your going to get bigger ones and get head work done.
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (clean rice)
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jesus this thread is filled with so much wrong information... </TD></TR></TABLE>
X3....I made 210 WHP B20, stock ITR fuel pump with 440cc injectors. The injector duty cycle was only about 60 percent or so, I'd say 310 or 290cc would be perfect for your 200whp goals.
</TD></TR></TABLE>X3....I made 210 WHP B20, stock ITR fuel pump with 440cc injectors. The injector duty cycle was only about 60 percent or so, I'd say 310 or 290cc would be perfect for your 200whp goals.
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jesus this thread is filled with so much wrong information... </TD></TR></TABLE>
all right sir...can you clearly point out what kind of misinformation has been posted up here?? we'd like to know so we don't get flamed by you in every thread. thanks!
</TD></TR></TABLE>all right sir...can you clearly point out what kind of misinformation has been posted up here?? we'd like to know so we don't get flamed by you in every thread. thanks!
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The stock ITR fuel pump was good up to 240 Dynojet on my ITR with 440cc injectors. 65% duty cycle at 9,000 RPM. With a stock fuel pressure regulator.
For most of the builds on H-T the stock fuel system is more than adequate. A stock Civic CX fuel system on the other hand...
For most of the builds on H-T the stock fuel system is more than adequate. A stock Civic CX fuel system on the other hand...
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Re: Need some input on my First BUILD! B18C5!! (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The stock ITR fuel pump was good up to 240 Dynojet on my ITR with 440cc injectors. 65% duty cycle at 9,000 RPM. With a stock fuel pressure regulator.
For most of the builds on H-T the stock fuel system is more than adequate. A stock Civic CX fuel system on the other hand...</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks much for the clarification sir...much better response than
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jesus this thread is filled with so much wrong information... </TD></TR></TABLE>
more detailed and educated than the comment above
For most of the builds on H-T the stock fuel system is more than adequate. A stock Civic CX fuel system on the other hand...</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks much for the clarification sir...much better response than
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jesus this thread is filled with so much wrong information...
</TD></TR></TABLE>more detailed and educated than the comment above
