Well.. Would it kill the turbo to run it whitout the piping ? ive alwais thought it could blow it up but there a guy in a Shop telling me there is no problem doing so...

What do you guys think ? would it make it Overrev and kill bearing or seals ?

 

Why would you run it without piping? Yes, it definitely could overspin it.

 

yes it will overspin your turbo. the guy that you talked to at the shop obviously has no idea what he is talking about or how a turbo system works

 

I would think that its not good for the turbo, But i have seen quite a few people drive their cars up to the shop to get the charge piping made. Every time one pulls in the shop it boggles my mind.

 

Depends on the turbo size blah blah blah.

A small turbo absolutely not. You will ruin it.

A larger turbo, you can. You just have to drive it really really easy with little load and low RPM.

 

has everybody on here forgotten what a wastegate is? it wont overspin anything cause the wastegate will still open at the target pressure

however i would be concerned with parts melting and stuff getting in the turbo (by no piping im assuming you mean just a turbo mounted to a manifold with no dp, filter or ic pipes.).

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has everybody on here forgotten what a wastegate is? it wont overspin anything cause the wastegate will still open at the target pressure

however i would be concerned with parts melting and stuff getting in the turbo (by no piping im assuming you mean just a turbo mounted to a manifold with no dp, filter or ic pipes.).</TD></TR></TABLE>

If the compressor isn't connected to anything to build pressure against, hitting that target pressure will be a challenge.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has everybody on here forgotten what a wastegate is? it wont overspin anything cause the wastegate will still open at the target pressure

however i would be concerned with parts melting and stuff getting in the turbo (by no piping im assuming you mean just a turbo mounted to a manifold with no dp, filter or ic pipes.).</TD></TR></TABLE>

obviously you've forgotten how a wastegate works

 

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If the compressor isn't connected to anything to build pressure against, hitting that target pressure will be a challenge.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mykizism &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

obviously you've forgotten how a wastegate works </TD></TR></TABLE>

why? the wastegate releases the pressure that builds up in the turbo manifold which will still be a closed system, sure there may be a bit of creep but it shouldn't be too big of a deal.

 

Eh! Wastegate doesn't uses the pressure from turbo manifold, else care to explain why its vacuum line has to be connected to the compressor side/charge pipe or any vacuum source after the air is being compressed?

Like everyone else said, the turbo will not build pressure and it will continue to spool on and on.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yakuza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eh! Wastegate doesn't uses the pressure from turbo manifold, else care to explain why its vacuum line has to be connected to the compressor side/charge pipe or any vacuum source after the air is being compressed?

Like everyone else said, the turbo will not build pressure and it will continue to spool on and on. </TD></TR></TABLE>

my wastegate doesnt see any vaccum, in fact it sees boost... wait now your gonna tell me i have it hooked up wrong right? what ev... im out... this is a pointless thread anyway...

 

dude. the only way a wastegate knows to open is via the vacuum line which tells it when the appropriate boost pressure has been built. It has nothing to do with the pressure in the turbo manifold!

http://www.howstuffworks.com spend some time there!


if you have a turbo on with no IC piping, there's no good vac reference for a vac line to the wastegate, meaning the wg will stay closed all the time causing the turbo to overspin if you put it under load!

 

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my wastegate doesnt see any vaccum, in fact it sees boost... wait now your gonna tell me i have it hooked up wrong right? what ev... im out... this is a pointless thread anyway...</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, this isn't a pointless thread, you just clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

 

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my wastegate doesnt see any vaccum, in fact it sees boost... wait now your gonna tell me i have it hooked up wrong right? what ev... im out... this is a pointless thread anyway...</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahahaha! I hope you're joking. The only thing pointless in here is everything you posted. Where are you referencing boost from with a turbo that's blowing into the open air?

 

From the turbo compressor scroll boost port. However if you dont have pipes attached, it doesnt create pressure, even if it would refrence it from that port.

My wastegate doesnt see any vacuum either, its refrence point is pre thottle plate, its plumbed in right there at the turbo scroll. Pressure is what opens the wastegate, not vacuum. A blow off valve/dump valve is opened with vacuum assistance and pressure in the piping going to the intake manifold.

 

Without piping (aka resistance to flow) you will never build boost and the wastegate will never open unless you have a weak spring or no spring at all. This will allow the turbo to spin freely and could overspin the turbo if you drive like a moron. If you drive slowly and keep the RPMs down, i dont see you having a problem.

 

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why? the wastegate releases the pressure that builds up in the turbo manifold which will still be a closed system, sure there may be a bit of creep but it shouldn't be too big of a deal.
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LMFAO, no matter where you have your WG hooked up to, (Turbo Housing, Intercooler etc) its not going to build boost w/o all the piping attached.

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http://www.howstuffworks.com spend some time there!

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my wastegate doesnt see any vaccum, in fact it sees boost... wait now your gonna tell me i have it hooked up wrong right? what ev... im out... this is a pointless thread anyway...</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha dont get pissed off at us, because you dont know what you are talking about..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chimmike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude. the only way a wastegate knows to open is via the vacuum line which tells it when the appropriate boost pressure has been built.

http://www.howstuffworks.com spend some time there!
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how about you spend some time wrenching and really figure out how stuff works, my wg has a boost source and works just fine, and im not the only one who runs it that way...

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no, this isn't a pointless thread, you just clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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you know you could have just edited your original post instead of creating a new post just to say that, learn how to use the interweb plz k thanx.

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hahahaha! I hope you're joking. The only thing pointless in here is everything you posted. Where are you referencing boost from with a turbo that's blowing into the open air?</TD></TR></TABLE>

welcome to the bandwagon, i bet you didn't even know until you came in here and read everyones post, and my turbo does not blow into open air, have a nice day.

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haha dont get pissed off at us, because you dont know what you are talking about.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

you know you haven't posted anything in this thread except quote people and comment, is that how you live your life too? keep standing on the side lines buddy...

 

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you know you haven't posted anything in this thread except quote people and comment, is that how you live your life too? keep standing on the side lines buddy...</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey since you obviously know more then the rest of us.. please explain in detail how having no charge piping, and having the turbo mounted to the manifold..

please explain how the wastegate would open.. if the turbo cant build boost pressure because of the no charge piping how would the wastegate open??

i think you need to double check your "turbo system knowledge" logic

 

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hey since you obviously know more then the rest of us.. please explain in detail how having no charge piping, and having the turbo mounted to the manifold..

please explain how the wastegate would open.. if the turbo cant build boost pressure because of the no charge piping how would the wastegate open??

i think you need to double check your "turbo system knowledge" logic </TD></TR></TABLE>

its easy to say that after you've read everybody else's post, where was your opinion at the beginning of the thread?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">has everybody on here forgotten what a wastegate is? it wont overspin anything cause the wastegate will still open at the target pressure

however i would be concerned with parts melting and stuff getting in the turbo (by no piping im assuming you mean just a turbo mounted to a manifold with no dp, filter or ic pipes.).</TD></TR></TABLE>


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obviously you've forgotten how a wastegate works </TD></TR></TABLE>

here is my opinion it was about 25 mins after your first post in this thread..

 

this is funny....i can'y understand the point of the thread....maybe i just didn't read enough...lol

 

ok, my bad everyone, apperantly i was wrong, i will work on being less cocky in the future

 

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yeah, I was gonna say, I should spend some more time wrenching ? Yeah, my wife would love to hear that.