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Old May 18, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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I have noticed during my usual morning check of oil and coolant levels, that my coolant has been going down by about two cup fulls a day and the overflow bottle has been filling to the top. There are also water stain spots on the rad hoses and gearbox, in a pattern that signifies it is coming from the overflow bottle. Today while taking a short drive, my temperture guage in the car, went to 3/4 and then came right back to 1/2. What could be causing the overflow bottle to constantly full itself from the radiator collant?
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Old May 18, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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possible headgasket issue.........run the engine with the rad cap of and check for bubbles. if it constantly bubbles then the headgasket is gone..

also check to make sure the cooling fans are working when they should.

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Old May 18, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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Check to make sure you don't have a leak and make sure all of you hoses are clamped properly. It sounds like you've got a leak.
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Old May 18, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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I was told that the read cap could be the culprit. It does seem very shaky and flimsy.
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Old May 18, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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And the coolant isn't leaking nowhere, it is backing up into the overflow bottle, which inturn overflows
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Old May 18, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And the coolant isn't leaking nowhere, it is backing up into the overflow bottle, which inturn overflows</TD></TR></TABLE>

defintely sounds like a bad headgasket
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Old May 18, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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85mm on a daily driver. i would invest in a oil cooler and a huge alum radiator.
what hose clamps are you using and how old are your hoses? hope its not the head gasket

wait isnt this the same engine you were tuning and ran lean.....? might have warped the head alittle when it overheated..


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Old May 18, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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old 86.5x89 &gt; experienced overheating &gt; headgasket gone &gt; replaced &gt; OK again
current 85.5x89 &gt; no problems (yet)

I use half size Fluidyne radiator... oil temp is also OK without cooler, even when pushing hard
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Old May 18, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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I am running a completely stock (Integra) cooling system on my 85x87 and have never experienced any overheating problems. I've had to replace the thermostat once, thats been it.

Coolant temps are very consistant. During a recording session a couple years back with Microsoft, I datalogged the final run and during ~30 seconds sustained between 8500-9500 RPM, the coolant temps rose 2 degrees.

Check your system. Start with the obvious, hoses, clamps etc. Next test your thermostat. Hopefully it is not your headgasket.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 02:51 AM
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took off the rad cap and added coolant this morning. As I gave it gas via throttle cable the coolant level rose and started to buble white milky bubbles. There is also alot of milky residue on the bottom of my rad cap.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 02:55 AM
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I have taken off the head about three times and the same gasket has been used over. Could that be the reason for its failure. I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 03:17 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old May 19, 2008 | 05:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have taken off the head about three times and the same gasket has been used over. Could that be the reason for its failure. I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol...

go put a new one on...you build a new motor and reuse a old head gasket.

i guess the person that told you that is the master honda tech that put your tranny together?
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Old May 19, 2008 | 06:19 AM
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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have taken off the head about three times and the same gasket has been used over. Could that be the reason for its failure. I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow...do some more research and ask questions up here. we'll be more than happy to help out. from the sound of things and what your described, it's a head gasket issue. also, get the head checked out to make sure that it's still flat and not warped. hope that helps out
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Old May 19, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have taken off the head about three times and the same gasket has been used over. Could that be the reason for its failure. I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once you torque the head down and take the head off again you should not reuse the headgasket ......your motor is obviously an investment protect it by not taking short cuts and watch who you obtain your knowledge from
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Old May 19, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TODAwhore &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

lol...

go put a new one on...you build a new motor and reuse a old head gasket.

i guess the person that told you that is the master honda tech that put your tranny together?</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL you guys don't forget anything do you. It was another mechanic that told me it was good for about five rebuilds. I guess because it was metal, I never gave his advice a second thought. I will get a new one right away. Do I need to carry the head to a machine shop to see if it is warped, or can it be seen with the naked eye?
Also, how much should is a safe amount to take off, that will not adversly affect my timing beign out?
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Old May 19, 2008 | 12:15 PM
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Headgaskets are a one time thing. Everytime you pull the head you gotta buy a new headgasket or else you will see your coolant level start to sink down like it is now.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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I love these threads, Murphy at his best. The Bart Simpson school of Engine building.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I love these threads, Murphy at his best. The Bart Simpson school of Engine building.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am currently enrolled in this bart simpson school, should I not be?!?!?!


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Old May 19, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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I am currently enrolled in this bart simpson school, should I not be?!?!?!


Modified by BMo Tuning at 4:55 PM 5/19/2008</TD></TR></TABLE> No, you will be fine, just remember to put some Lock-tite on the used gasket and head bolts.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DonF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No, you will be fine, just remember to put some Lock-tite on the used gasket and head bolts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just ran to the sto' to buy some "lock-tite" and cant find any.........all I can find is this "loc-tite" bullshit, Is it a knock off of the almighty "lock-tite" you mentioned!?!/!!!????!

Oh and I make sure I reuse all of my headgaskets and headbolts, **** I've torqued my current headbolts 15 times.....for some odd reason I keep on blowing headgaskets .........probably something not related to headbolts tho
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Old May 19, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Big differance. Lock-tite is way cheaper, you can find it on E-bay. Why buy the good stuff, loc-tite, when you can get other crap off E-bay. Besides, when re-using parts, who cares.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teamdiesel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have taken off the head about three times and the same gasket has been used over. Could that be the reason for its failure. I was told that an oem headgasket is good for atmost five rebuilds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to beat a dead horse but damn that is some bad info. It's almost sig worthy. Next, it'll be can I re-use my pistons even thou they have a couple of deep scratches on the skirts.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 02:45 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse but damn that is some bad info. It's almost sig worthy. Next, it'll be can I re-use my pistons even thou they have a couple of deep scratches on the skirts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wait......scratches in the skirts arent good? [freak]KKKKK I made deep *** scratches in mine b4 rebuild cuz i thought it'd improve flow.
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