just had my cams degreed... i lost HELLA power.. the tuner couldnt even get it close to where i was at when i first came in wut the heck is that all about? o and can someone please elaborate on wut is acutally done in degreeing camshafts? i just wanna if everything still line up the same wit the original marks for tdc.. crank and camgears.. thanks for any input

SETUP

H22A JDM
STOCK BLOCK
RM H24X
HOTSHOT HEADER
STOCK MANIFOLD STOCK TB

BEFORE 193 138
AFTER 174 130

 

Is there a chance that maybe he didnt degree them properly?
Or perhaps wherever you had them before,the engine liked it more...
Degreeing the cams basicly times the cams to the crank more accurately than timing marks alone. This is the starting point for camshaft tuning,measuring,etc.

Normally, youd degree the cams,measure clearances,adjust,remeasure,and make final adjustments on the dyno...
In your case,sounds like the cams started in their ideal position and you kinda worked backwards...
Once the cams have been degreed properly,you should be able to tune them to at least where you started193/138, if not more...

 

yea thats wut i thought too.. i was looking forward to at least picking up 5 hp from doing it.. but was left dissappointed.. so all adjustments r made on the cam gears?

 

Yes. Did you see him do it? If so, can you tell us what he did?

 

lol, surprised no one has mentioned you don't have NEARLY enough compression to really utilize those cams.

h24x on stock compression

Edit: also RM cams like to be rolled together when degree-ing. IE. advance or retard them together, not separately.

 

Degree'ing is not adjusting the cam timing as normal on the dyno.

 

unfortunately we didnt stay to see wut they did becuz we had other things to take care of..

 

Those numbers are before and after degreeing correct?
Not before and after cam install?

All the marks should still line up the same. You move the cam itself inside the cam gear, the cam gear (the part with the teeth) stays still......so everything should still line up.

When you set your engine at TDC do the cam gears still line up like they should?

 

MIDNIGHT PERFORMANCE of Sacramento They recommended it, and left with power loss

 

Did you give them the degree specs from Rocket?

 

they didnt even ask for specs.... but i messaged rocket afterwards n he said its fine at 0,0 if the head hasnt been milled

 

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Lol.........I'd stop taking your car there if they "degreed" in your cams without even asking for the specs to which they should be degreed. Set em back to 0,0 and if you really want to fool with the cam gear settings well do it on a dyno one degree at a time.

One other thing, I know every dyno is different but damn your tq is low for an h22.

 

Set them back to zero after taking pictures of the gears as they are now. If they didn't have the specs they didn't degree them. Then file a complaint with the BBB.

 

yea i dont know y my tq is so low.... thanks for all replys im gonan call them

 

just called him .. he said he had to find the degree specs himself... he gave me center line numbers of 103,106.. n when i bout the rocket cams.. i never got a cam card...

 

man that sucks, just load the old map back in and set the cam gears back too 0,0 like everybody has mentioned.

 

already did.. but its kinda bullshit that i had to pay for the **** job

 

Ask them what centerlines they installed the cams on. Post their answer.

 

answered above.. 103, 106 thanks

anyone able to find the specs for rocket cams ? i didnt get a cam card when i bought the cams.... thanks i saw them b4 but cant find them

 

Ah, must have been a ninja edit. Anyway, Now we can wait for # verifications from one of Rockets reps.

 

i believe it was 101 103 when i saw it the other day but gotta get it confirmed...

 

This might be a stupid question, But what are the chances they made piston to valve contact in the process and didn't say anything to you? I may be completely wrong, but it came to mind.

 

midnight..???? dude u r out of your mind going there.

 

degreed or not i think somethings wrong inside your motor. whether it be bent valves or any amount of other things.

 

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I'd guess slightly bent valves.