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Old May 8, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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Default 01 civic air conditioner clutch doesn't spin

ok I searched didn't find anything so I need some help. Since it's getting warmer I tried to turn my ac on again and it doesn't work. So I checked and the clutch doesn't spin when I turn on the ac but the fan does. So I just took a look and I heard that if it's to low then the clutch won't spin. So I checked and there is some free on still in there so what do you guys think it is??? I'm kinda pissed bout the whole deal...
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Old May 8, 2008 | 11:22 PM
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I would take it in, to get the system re-charged.
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Old May 9, 2008 | 04:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by toyomatt84 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would take it in, to get the system re-charged.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what do you mean recharged? Do you mean free on? Cuz I checked and that's good. I'm not aware of anything else you needed to do. If it's different you have any idea how much it cost to get it recharged?
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Old May 9, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ballinboosi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what do you mean recharged? Do you mean free on? Cuz I checked and that's good. I'm not aware of anything else you needed to do. If it's different you have any idea how much it cost to get it recharged?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's spelled "freon", but a re-charge is dependent on your local mechanics. I paid $45 to have mine re-charged a few years ago, but that's a local shop to me.
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Old May 10, 2008 | 06:59 AM
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alright thanks. I'll give that a try changing out my springs and tie rods today so it might have to wait a few weeks.
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Old May 21, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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so I was getting ready to get this fixed finally. By re charged you just mean it needs freon correct? As mine is good to go in that aspect, so I talked to my buddy and he said that my clutch mite be dead but it seems you can't change just the clutch on the ac compressor on our cars. So it seems that I need a whole new compressor, is this right. Just trying to save some money here but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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I was having some AC issues as well, mine was narrowed down by the dealer to the ECM after I messed with it for about a month. Some things I tried might help you figure it out. There's a plug on your compressor thats right by the radiator with 3 wires. Put a voltage meter on the middle wire while its still plugged into the compressor and the other end of the tester on ground. This should read 12 volts when your AC is on, this is the clutch power wire. To test your thermal protector thats located right inside of the compressor, you can put a meter on both outside wires (on the side going to the compressor) and there should be continunity. Another way is simply jumpering the 2 outside wires together to bypass the thermal protector. There's a ground bolt for the clutch on top of the compressor, it's a bolt with a wire attached to it. Make sure this contact is clean and the bolt is tightened. Check all fuses and relays under the hood. There's a pressure switch right by the compressor electrical plug, closer to the bumper and it looks like a canister. You could jumper the 2 wires in the plug to bypass the pressure sensor just for testing to see if your clutch kicks in. Start with the power wire to the clutch first and go from there. I eliminated everything before I went to the dealer and ordered the ECU myself and will install it myself minus the programming which will save me over $500. Good luck, hope it helps.
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Old May 22, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Thanks Matt, I actually just saw a add in the paper for "free ac check up" so I'm going to have them find out what the hell the problem is for free and then I will fix it. But I am going to check that ground first to see if it is loose as it did work last year but I remember towards the end it stopped for like a day. So it does seem to be something that is just loose. It's just a pain to check the wires down there without ripping **** off. thanks again
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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I'm apparently having the same problem with my '03 Civic. This spring the A/C suddenly quit working for no apparent reason and after a bit of troubleshooting we discovered the clutch won't kick in. After tearing off the alternator and other hoses to reach the A/C wiring they seemed to be in good working order after testing them.

An ignorant question here but what is an ECM/ECU? Could this be the issue?
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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when the system is low on refrigerant, the clutch will not engage. This is because the lubrication for the compressor is also carried in the refrigerant and if it's out of refrigerant you'll burn out the compressor really fast. Cars don't use freon anymore, or R12, we use R134a and make sure thats the only refrigerant they use, anything else will cause further damage to your system. Check ups for AC systems is generally free or low cost. Servicing them on the other hand, generally costs a bit.
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Well, in my case the car was just recharged with refrigerant last month and was not low to begin with so that is not the problem. Anyway, as with ballinboosi, I'm just attempting to save myself a lot of money if the clutch and compressor are both not the issue.
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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you can always manually test the clutch by jumping power to the compressor terminals.
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 04:33 AM
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I got lucky I looked into mine and the clip that connects the power was all shot so all I had to do was jump it and it worked fine. Saved me some cash
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 12:45 PM
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My daughters compressor clutch is bad. A part actually came off. Is it possible to buy just the clutch and not the whole compressor? I have not been able to find the clutch as a seperate item.
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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you'll probably spend less money replacing the whole thing.
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 04:14 AM
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from what I understand you can't change just the clutch on our ac compressors. If I were you I would just check around at the junkyards and you should be able to pick one up for about $75
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 05:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fibercoug &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My daughters compressor clutch is bad. A part actually came off. Is it possible to buy just the clutch and not the whole compressor? I have not been able to find the clutch as a seperate item. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You can change just the clutch...but its not just a simple swap. You gotta take the compressor out which means ya gotta get the system evap'ed. Then putting the clutch on can be a pain. Then there is recharging it and you dont have the tools or equipment to do this kinda stuff. Leave it to the pros!
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 05:48 AM
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I wasn't able to find it for my 01 but it still would just be best to swap it out. You can get a can to recharge it for $20 that explains step by step how to recharge. Plus you do it yourself you will save a few hundred bucks.
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 07:06 AM
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hey guys my ac just went out, grinding loud noise , it is shut , dont know what happened, still lots of freon just quit , it wont engage and smokin.

i found a used one for $250 better deal than the dealer selling at $600 plus $500 labor.

my problem is How will you take the belt out from the car? its one belt for everything. i dont see a bolt to loosen.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2002 honda civic si
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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hey toyo how are you since you're the ony one online maybe you could help on old man here

i need to know how to take the belt out from a honda civic si 2002.
one belt for all (ac, alt,air pump)

i dont see any bolt to loosen to take the belt out..
my ac compressor just took a dive

H E L P !!!!!!!
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 08:10 AM
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hi matt,

i have same problem but mine was the ac compressor got toasted and took
a dive.

i have one question , what bolt should i loosen to take the one belt out.

i have a 2002 honda civic si

thank you
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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not 100% on this since mine is a LX and I have two belts. But if it's connected to your alt then you can loosen that up and take the belt off. Just make sure you pay attention to how the belt is wound in. Also you should be able to get on ebay or a local junkyard and find one much better, unless your going with a brand new one.
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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Repaired one today, was the thermal protector. But the clutch was very rusted so I replaced that as well. Does yours have 3 wires to the compressor or 1.

I have seen a few things that cause a/c clutch issues, ecm/pcm, harness/connectors, thermal protector ( most common). And 1 hvac control panel. If you are getting 12v with the engine running and a/c on at the thermal protector then most of the time it's the protector. Ck the clutch clearance as well. Also I see people say you need to pull the compressor to replace the clutch. You can do it faster and cheaper if you do it on the car. Remove l/f wheel, inner fender, p/s belt and lower alt bracket and belt. You may need to move the washer bottle a bit if the snap ring is in the wrong position. A bit tricky but no need to recover the 134a or evac and recharge. Takes me about 1 hour to replace the clutch and thermal protector.

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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 07:38 AM
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the problem was the ac compressor got toasted, belt melted on the pulley, both bearings ends busted, pulley doesnt spin and the ac pullley dont spin either.

ac still turns on but doesnt spin, anyway anybody know any place for used good one pulley, refurbish or rebuild.

dealer want to suck me $600 for it plus $400 labor. im close to dropping my pants.

thanks
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 10:06 AM
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look up knoxauto on MSN search and that is a local place here that will ship to you and they are much cheaper or evansautomotive.net not sure if they ship but they only deal with hondas and have decent pricing too. Good Luck
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