HElp a brother out
Car- 97 civic ex
what is a better setup for bang for the buck? looking for 350+ whp when complete
car weighs around 2450, and has the d16y8 vtec engine.......

1-Fmax turbo kit with, tial 35mm,AEM EMS,moroso oil pan,3" full exhaust (turbo and on)


2-drag3 turbo kit,ballbearing upgrade, tial 35mm,moroso oil pan, AEM EMS, 3" full exhaust (turbo and on)

3-greddy 15g kit ,injectors,blue box,moroso oil pan,3" full exhaust,intercooler (just joking)

4-greddy 18g kit, with new exhaust manifold,injectors,blue box,moroso oil pan,3inch full exhaust,intercooler

5- custom turbo setup?

6- any other ideas??????


any option and i will end up building the engine, and like said b4 looking for 350+ whp when im done..... it is a street car so reliability is still an issue, but lemme know what u think... and im turbo fluent so u dont have to explain about the turbos or the kits, just your opinion and why...... p.s. i know the 15g kit wont get me the power im looking for. im just listing the option
THANKS

 

from what i heard....to get a sohc to run that high hp.....reliability will be an issue as u are pushing the engine way beyond its limits. 200-230 i think would still be ok....but after that then its just insane for a sohc. even built engine, etc.

 

1- Fmax, you'll need to replace lots of their parts to make that much power, plus you'll need to build the motor - no way around that.

2- Drag, you'll need to replace lots of their parts to make that much power, plus you'll need to build the motor - no way around that.

3- Greddy - forget it, it will never make that much power.

4- 18g, no such thing for SOHC kits.

5- Yes, yes, yes. Of course you still have to build the motor.

6- Build the motor and run a 300 shot.

You will need to replace some parts on the drag, more on the fmax because the mf2 isn't going to be good for that much ponies. You'll need a stand alone, no way around that either.

You're looking at 5-6000 bucks for everything you need (ballpark).


[Modified by mplex2000, 7:56 AM 7/14/2002]

 

no offense or anything but thats kinda an ignorant comment......... ive seen SOHC's dyno over 400hp.... just for ***** say i get JG proseries head and engine, proper mounts, and drivetrain, on those t3t4 kits u could easily push 25psi and make probably 400+ depending on application..... u can do anything as long as u have enough money...
oh and PS dont tell me to swap it because im not interested

 

no offense or anything but thats kinda an ignorant comment......... ive seen SOHC's dyno over 400hp.... just for ***** say i get JG proseries head and engine, proper mounts, and drivetrain, on those t3t4 kits u could easily push 25psi and make probably 400+ depending on application..... u can do anything as long as u have enough money...
oh and PS dont tell me to swap it because im not interested
thanks again

 

he didn't say it was impossible, just that you'd need to replace alot of other ****; axles, suspension, lots of tranny's.

just as a flaming sidenote; I think buying a kit is pretty ignorant
you should build your own; **** the middle man!

 

You're right, that's a little ignorant on his part, but...

Those kits are not going to get you 400 WHP no matter what. Some components will need to be replaced and the turbos are probably only good up to about 300 HP (not 100% but I am sure they aren't going to go to 400 if they came with an SOHC kit).

That's why you might as well do it custom rather than buy the kit and have to replace lots of brand new parts (and you pay more for a kit anyway in most cases).

Don't swap - a 400 HP SOHC would be something to be proud of. Save your pennies though!

 

hey mplex2000 do u have AIM???? maybe u can talk to me a little so i can soak up some info on all this stuff ur talking about

 

I would go with F-MAX or Drag III(bigger turbos). Your bro can wait for the DRAG IV too, see if it's any better. Yea, for sure build to block up!!

 

Like mplex2000 is saying, the turbos that come with the kits will not be able to support the type of HP you are talking about. You'll be best off going custom. Maybe try a T3 turbine with 60-1 compressor.

 

Civic420: I am currently in the same boat as you are. I have a D16Y8 engine just chillin in my garage as I collect parts. I'm going custom turbo, a beautiful standalone, and a nicely built engine. I'm getting custom pistons made from Ross Racing (contact Rocket for more information) that should bring the compression down to 8.8:0. A nice garrett turbo from Slow_ass_4dr (sometime soon) and many other necessary parts needed. I didnt set a HP goal but anything over the stock 127hp at the fly will make me happy

 

i think it is very possible to get a SOHC to that amount of horsepower. I mean ****, domestics have been getting that much power with 1 cam for quite a few years now

 

I guess I would just have to ask you why you are so against doing an engine swap. Yes, you could spend a wad of cash and build the D16Y8 but you could spend less money on a stock B16, turbo that, and have the 350whp and reliability you are looking for. One way or another, you are going to have to pull the D16Y8 so why not put a better engine in it to begin with?
Also, why 350whp? Why not more and why not less? Most people I know have a specific goal in mind like 1/4 mile times and not, necessarily, a certain amount of whp. What makes 350whp the magic number for your setup?

 

hey civic420 i see your from illinois. where at (Chicagoland area?) 350whp is a lot for a d16 and you'll need quite a bit of $$$ to build that motor and maintain it. I would recommend going to garage kwai if you live in the chicagoland area. Benson knows his **** when it comes to hondas. anyway good luck with the setup.

 

now see thats the entire reason why we build up sohc's

1. everyone and there mom thinks they suck
2. no one wants them(so replacements parts and engines are reallly easy to come by and cheap)
3. everyone has an lsvtec, or crvtec, or anyother bseries now
4. when you get spanked by an SOHC and you have a bseries, YOU feel STUPID

dont get me wrong bseries are great, they are a gret platform to start from, you can make good power from them with minor work.

but to build an sohc to 350+ horespower you got to put in some time, get the sh*t right. make the engine perfect.

just my 2 cents, but im an SOHC beleiver

but dont forget im building a b series also

just a natural progression

check out this page if you dont beleive SOHCs can create that much power

and aslo check out the engine codes, these are early year SOHC's newer ones are even better

http://www.jgenginedynamics.com/dynotests4




[Modified by pornstarSR, 1:07 AM 7/16/2002]

 

Come on now, what kind of post is that?

You have 5 posts, stock car, probably your first, and you're not even old enough to drink....just messin with you. But seriously, getting an SOHC to 350 HP is going to cost less than buying a B series swap and making it do the same or more. You have that huge savings of $1500-$3500 depending on which B series you were interested in.

Anyway, I can't speak from experience but EVERY SINGLE person I have heard talk about "Garage Kwai" had othing but bad things to say. Of course, if you can't work on your own car, bad shops give you a good reason to learn!


[Modified by mplex2000, 3:48 AM 7/16/2002]

 

I am also a SOHC believer. I will have pics of my fully built Hondata tuned 1.8L up in the next month or so.

As far as a turbo kit, it is fully custom pieced together kit. Can't get that much power on an Fmax, Drag, Revhard kit. Let alone a Greddy kit (Trust me I know).

Glad to see others have faith in the SOHC. Like I said, I will post when we get it complete.

 

It will cost him at least $1500-$2000 to get his SOHC to handle 350whp. You can boost your stock B16 to 350whp so how is doing a swap going to cost him more? Plus, after the swap, and if and when he wants to make more hp, he would be able to a lot more easily than he would the SOHC. That is unless he spends a ton of cash on building a bullet proof SOHC. Dollar for dollar, you will spend less money swapping your SOHC for a DOHC if you want to make high horsepower numbers. If you like spending your money in engine upgrades, by all means go for it. I just figured you should know what you would be up against, financially, if you wanted to build your SOHC.

 

I am building a SOHC D16Y8 myself as we speak. I wanna do something different I don't care if it costs me more money in the end. It is different, how many swaps do you see?? Quite a few. How many built and boosted SOHCs???? Not that many, time to be different and every man to his own. His money let him spend it on what he wants.

 

Well, if you had read his post, he asks "what is more bang for the buck" which suggests that money is an issue and, unlike you, plays into his plans of making 350whp. Money always matters so don't kid yourself. He didn't say he wanted to be different, just that he wanted to make 350whp. If you want to be different, and you are rich, why not buy a GEO Metro and make 600whp out of that. Not too many people doing that and that's real different.

 

HELLO!

You'd have to buy the swap AND build it for 350 WHP. I don't think you'd see much more than 260 safely on a stock B16.


[Modified by mplex2000, 6:21 AM 7/16/2002]

 

HELLLO! The B16 will NOT need to be built to put out 350whp. Remember MatT3T4? He did it.The key is tuning. In fact, here is a link http://www.hondalife.com/effectivecompression.htm to his breakdown of engine selection. Notice the part where he says "Both motors have similar tolerances though. Both motors pretty much top out at around 350-400hp on stock motors, very well tuned." when he is referring to the B16A and B18C.


[Modified by turbod97ex, 2:14 AM 7/16/2002]

 

yea, thats why i dont want a swap, i want a fast sohc cuz everyone doubts them... looks like im buying a custom kit... viren's getting it for me

 

yea, thats why i dont want a swap, i want a fast sohc cuz everyone doubts them... looks like im buying a custom kit... viren's getting it for me
will this turbo suit my needs????
VS racing spec turbo .60AR .63 Exhuast??

 

damnit i hate it when i post twice..... anyways dont give me **** about not having many posts i dont spend much time online