Chevy talking smack on Nissan...already
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Chevy talking smack on Nissan...already
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...for-l/
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Autoblog »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Nissan GT-R's 7:29 lap record won't stand for long if Chevrolet has anything to say about it. Speaking with InsideLine, Corvette Chief Engineer, Tadge Jeuchter, says that the ZR1, "will be able to take the production-car track record at any racetrack," and that although Chevy doesn't have a production version of the uber-Vette at the Nurburgring yet, they're expecting a lap time of "seven minutes, twenty-something seconds." That sounds like smack-talk to us. But while the ZR1 might have the potential to best the GT-R's 'Ring time, the 550-600 hp elephant in the room is the forthcoming GT-R V-Spec, which is already putting down (roughly-timed) laps around the North Loop in the 7:25 realm. Let the battle begin. We're making popcorn now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let the fanboy wars begin.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Autoblog »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Nissan GT-R's 7:29 lap record won't stand for long if Chevrolet has anything to say about it. Speaking with InsideLine, Corvette Chief Engineer, Tadge Jeuchter, says that the ZR1, "will be able to take the production-car track record at any racetrack," and that although Chevy doesn't have a production version of the uber-Vette at the Nurburgring yet, they're expecting a lap time of "seven minutes, twenty-something seconds." That sounds like smack-talk to us. But while the ZR1 might have the potential to best the GT-R's 'Ring time, the 550-600 hp elephant in the room is the forthcoming GT-R V-Spec, which is already putting down (roughly-timed) laps around the North Loop in the 7:25 realm. Let the battle begin. We're making popcorn now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let the fanboy wars begin.
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Re: Chevy talking smack on Nissan...already (Intense3.2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Intense3.2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would have to drive both to make an educated decision. Im not a numbers guy.</TD></TR></TABLE>
oh, i see. someone failed basic math
oh, i see. someone failed basic math
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hotredux »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does a 150hp increase only drop the GT-R's time on a 7+ minute track by 4 seconds?</TD></TR></TABLE>
uh.. because power does not necessarily equal EPIC speed gains on a very technical track. You're going to have to work the turning element too if you want that much better gains.
uh.. because power does not necessarily equal EPIC speed gains on a very technical track. You're going to have to work the turning element too if you want that much better gains.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Labarum »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
uh.. because power does not necessarily equal EPIC speed gains on a very technical track. You're going to have to work the turning element too if you want that much better gains.
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150hp is 150hp, even if it's an auto-x course. Four seconds on a 7++ minute track could be caused by someone sneezing mid-track.
Modified by eL at 6:28 PM 5/2/2008
uh.. because power does not necessarily equal EPIC speed gains on a very technical track. You're going to have to work the turning element too if you want that much better gains.
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150hp is 150hp, even if it's an auto-x course. Four seconds on a 7++ minute track could be caused by someone sneezing mid-track.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hotredux »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does a 150hp increase only drop the GT-R's time on a 7+ minute track by 4 seconds?</TD></TR></TABLE>
For the same reason Labarum's Miata could probably beat my Z28 on that track. Its more about handling.
For the same reason Labarum's Miata could probably beat my Z28 on that track. Its more about handling.
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Sometimes more powa = slower times. In motorcycle racing, MotoGP went from 1000cc to 800cc and are setting better times on certain tracks. Higher straight line speeds require more braking which in effect can cause disturbance. A fine balance of both with good corner speeds will result in the best times.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZTwentyH8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
For the same reason Labarum's Miata could probably beat my Z28 on that track. Its more about handling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
For the same reason Labarum's Miata could probably beat my Z28 on that track. Its more about handling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hotredux »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
150hp is 150hp, even if it's an auto-x course. Four seconds on a 7++ minute track could be caused by someone sneezing mid-track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really. You don't just add 150hp to a car and make no other adjustments and expect huge gains. Or, at least, car companies that do real racing don't.
The article says "already" pulling those speeds which means that won't be it's final lap time.
150hp is 150hp, even if it's an auto-x course. Four seconds on a 7++ minute track could be caused by someone sneezing mid-track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not really. You don't just add 150hp to a car and make no other adjustments and expect huge gains. Or, at least, car companies that do real racing don't.
The article says "already" pulling those speeds which means that won't be it's final lap time.
Re: Chevy talking smack on Nissan...already (Tokyosmash!)
Corvette Chief Engineer, Tadge Jeuchter, says that the ZR1, "will be able to take the production-car track record at any racetrack,"
Just because the V-Spec ran a 7:25 doesn't mean anything. They could have been performing braking tests on that run. Aero tests. Wind noise tests. Suspension tests. Differential tests. So on and so forth.
Just because the V-Spec ran a 7:25 doesn't mean anything. They could have been performing braking tests on that run. Aero tests. Wind noise tests. Suspension tests. Differential tests. So on and so forth.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .brian. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
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Was there any point to that?
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Was there any point to that?
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Re: Chevy talking smack on Nissan...already (xtrac1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xtrac1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Corvette Chief Engineer, Tadge Jeuchter, says that the ZR1, "will be able to take the production-car track record at any racetrack,"
Just because the V-Spec ran a 7:25 doesn't mean anything. They could have been performing braking tests on that run. Aero tests. Wind noise tests. Suspension tests. Differential tests. So on and so forth. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point.
Just because the V-Spec ran a 7:25 doesn't mean anything. They could have been performing braking tests on that run. Aero tests. Wind noise tests. Suspension tests. Differential tests. So on and so forth. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Good point.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScareyH22A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sometimes more powa = slower times. In motorcycle racing, MotoGP went from 1000cc to 800cc and are setting better times on certain tracks. Higher straight line speeds require more braking which in effect can cause disturbance. A fine balance of both with good corner speeds will result in the best times.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njn63 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, he's not talking about straightaway speed at all..
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, he's not talking about straightaway speed at all..
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Labarum »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No, he's not talking about straightaway speed at all..</TD></TR></TABLE>
What else would he be talking about?
No, he's not talking about straightaway speed at all..</TD></TR></TABLE>
What else would he be talking about?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njn63 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he is saying that even with increased power, you need all the other systems upgraded as well to compensate for the extra power.
For example, if you kept the same braking system the car wouldn't brake as well in the long run. For example, instead of applying the brakes at 150 mph into turn one, he would be applying it at 160 mph because of the increased power. The extra braking that is needed increases the rate of brake pad fade. So, even with more HP, the car will still run pretty much the same times.
This is just a hypothetical example. Please do not take me literally.
Are you really trying to say that a higher straight line speed and the longer braking time will result in a lower average speed over the same straightaway?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think he is saying that even with increased power, you need all the other systems upgraded as well to compensate for the extra power.
For example, if you kept the same braking system the car wouldn't brake as well in the long run. For example, instead of applying the brakes at 150 mph into turn one, he would be applying it at 160 mph because of the increased power. The extra braking that is needed increases the rate of brake pad fade. So, even with more HP, the car will still run pretty much the same times.
This is just a hypothetical example. Please do not take me literally.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by njn63 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What does that mean then?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He means that you're going to have one hell of a mess on your hands if you have a car that overpowers its other systems.
He means that you're going to have one hell of a mess on your hands if you have a car that overpowers its other systems.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .brian. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZTwentyH8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Was there any point to that?
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Other than him just giving you and e-pwnt no. i lol'ed.
I cant wait for the zr1 to run.
bitch, my son could beat your z28 around a track on a tricycle. and he only has one leg!
</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZTwentyH8 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Was there any point to that?
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Other than him just giving you and e-pwnt no.
i lol'ed.I cant wait for the zr1 to run.