FIXED - got sold a bad pressure p[late by honda


EDIT- heres how it sits right now.

What I have:

I have a 91 Integra transmission... mated to a 94 Integra motor. Here are some of the details below:

NEW parts:

91 Integra clutch cable
91 tranny
91 pressure plate from Honda
91 clutch disc from aftermarket dealer
new throwout bearing
new throwout bearing fork + spring + bolt
new shift fork that connects the cable to the throwout bearing
94 flywheel


this combination does not allow me to put the car into neutral... even if I bypass the clutch cable and pull up on the arm, the car is most certainly still in gear. We cannot get it OUT of gear with the clutch either.

Even bypassing the entire clutch cable, we are unable to release the motor from gear. We can shift fine with the car off, but not on.

We can put the car in gear, and upon starting the car will lurch forward.

Any help is greatly appreciated,

Seb


Modified by B18EG6 at 8:42 PM 5/11/2008


Modified by B18EG6 at 4:36 PM 5/17/2008

 

i thought 92+ was the cutoff for the whole different clutch game.

have i heard wrong?

 

bump

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublethink &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i thought 92+ was the cutoff for the whole different clutch game.

have i heard wrong?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know nothing about this generation, so any insights are helpful to me.

I was told the following:

90-91 Clutch Specs:
Kit #: 08-017
Disc Diameter (in): 8 11/16
Spline Diameter (in): 1
No. of Teeth: 24

92-93
Clutch Specs:
Kit #: 08-027
Disc Diameter (in): 8 11/16
Spline Diameter (in): 1 1/16
No. of Teeth: 24

The disc seemed to have fit fine on the tranny with no play (I used an older OEM disc as a reference). Are the pressure plates different?

Seb

 

no the pressure plates are the same. i kind of had the same issue, and i think that might be my info that you quoted lol. i have a 94 ls motor also, and a 93 trans, but i accidentally got a 91 clutch so the thing was to small to even fit on the spline. my guess would be since you have it the other way around the clutch disc would fit over the spline, and since its only slightly larger it probably didnt seem like much play. you need to get the other disc to fix your issue would be my logical guess lol.

and actually i still have mine from before that was for a 90-91 that i couldnt use. so if you want the disc i have it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16SiHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no the pressure plates are the same. i kind of had the same issue, and i think that might be my info that you quoted lol. i have a 94 ls motor also, and a 93 trans, but i accidentally got a 91 clutch so the thing was to small to even fit on the spline. my guess would be since you have it the other way around the clutch disc would fit over the spline, and since its only slightly larger it probably didnt seem like much play. you need to get the other disc to fix your issue would be my logical guess lol.

and actually i still have mine from before that was for a 90-91 that i couldnt use. so if you want the disc i have it </TD></TR></TABLE>

yep, I was pointed towards your thread by Steve (above) How did you solve yer problem, a new disc did the trick? Could you release the motor from gear by pushing on the clutch?

I am still confused why even at full pull, the clutch is still engaged to the motor? The car sits in neutral just fine

 

Yep i had to get a new disc for a 92-93 a1 and thats all i needed.

and since the clutch disc i had bought originally for a 90-91 was too small it wouldnt even fit onto the spline which is why i could never attach the trans or get it into the car. So i cant say for sure what physically is occuring inside there, that would make it stay engaged. i can guarantee you though that if you have the disc in there thats larger and doesnt fit on the spline as it should, you can imagine your going to encounter some major issues. that aside are you sure the throwout bearing is in there correctly? that might cause an issue with engaging and disengaging the clutch.

 

As stated above, you need the right clutch disc for the year of the transmission. You need a 92/93 disc.

 

Thanks for the advice Just the disc? Or the whole assembly from a 90-91?

We'll yank it out and swap it over. Any idea why the disc would cause the observed problem though? I don't have the 92-93 version (obviously) but I imagine the thicknesses between the two models are nominally the same.

edit- dammit stillsmokey, you confused me we do have a 92-93 disc. I think you meant to say we need a 90-91 disc


Modified by B18EG6 at 11:56 PM 4/28/2008

 

d16 said he has the correct disc for u in one of his post


Modified by SoCal B18b 4dr at 11:47 PM 4/28/2008

 

yep, the disc is all you need. everything else is the same

 

Great now I know what clutch to get and tranny

 

Update-

Replaced (and documented) the incorrect clutch disc with the smaller one for the smaller 90-91 spline.

STILL have the same problem... there is no feeling in the clutch cable, and even pulling the arm up on the tranny doesn't work

 

are you sure the throwout bearing is installed properly?

 

Checked it twice yes, but I am open for suggestions.

It moves freely along the shaft - at full extent the part that touches the fingers barely makes it past the beginning of the splines on the shaft.

Is it possible to swap the release fork over and still have a somewhat normal looking installed bearing? From what I remember it kinda only went on one way.

 

bumpenstien

 

It doesn't matter what clutch setup you have !!!!... If you physically put the transmission in Neutral ..l the car should role with no resistance.... check you linkage or just disconnect your linkage at the trans and make sure you move the shaft to middle and see what it does

 

Thanks for the reply - The car rolls fine in neutral, the linkage is new from Hasport. Sorry for the confusion in the first post.

Our problem is that the car won't engage the transmission (or disengage, if already in gear)

We know its not a cable problem, cause we tried bypassing the entire cable system by pulling up the arm to its fullest extent. We also observe the throwout bearing to travel along the shaft.

 

 

So you pull up on the arm and it still won't come out of gear ? Does the linkage even move or is it stuck in gear ? Will it go into any other gear while the car is off ? Is the trans a known good trans ?

 

Correct - when we pull the arm up, there is very little resistance and it does not disengage the pressure plate.

The shift linkage moves normally, and we can put it into any gear with the car off.

If we start the car in gear, it lurches forwards (or backwards if in reverse).

If we start the car in neutral and try to put it into gear (either manually pulling on the arm or pushing the clutch) it grinds into reverse, any other gear it just wont go in. The motor slightly dies when we try to jam it into first.

Trans unfortunately is not known to be good or bad, it was purchased used without any information on the status.

Thanks

Seb

 

update - replaced alllllll the damn parts inside of the tranny housing. (See 1st post for parts replaced)

SAME deal... but this time, we have some resistance on the throwout bearing fork. It only gets hard the last ~1" of travel.

Same crap though, car won't go in/out of gear....

I was concerned that our supposedly 'new' pressure plate is bad though.. we bought it directly from Honda but it came in a ragged box with a scratched out 'damaged' on it.. and another dood's receipt in there.

I noticed that when installed, some of the fingers were not level with the others.. they deviated anywhere from 0.05" - 0.075" when measuring their distance to the clutch disc.

Would this cause the problem we're having? Honda is going to get a mad call tomorrow....

 

try a used clutch cable cause that sound like what happen to me when i installed a new clutch cable,it was so hard to put in gear and take out so i put the old one back on then bam it worked perfect and my car stopped grinding too....

 

Oddly enough we just had the same issue over here, turned out the pressure plate was machined wrong causing the trans not to go into gear when on the ground, but would go into gear off the ground. You could have a bad plate

 

yea i suppose could be a bad plate

how did you raise the clutch lever all the way without a cable? without the mechanical leverage from the pedal it'd be practically impossible i would think to move it by hand.


Modified by D16SiHatch at 1:13 AM 5/12/2008