Well pics have been updated! The car is now ready to compete in MKE Regional SCCA/WAI STX Class Auto-X!










<U>Mods:</U>

Engine:
-KPRO (High Octane Custom Tune)
-AEM CAI
-ITR Header/Cat
-Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust
-O2 Extension Harness
-Koyo Radiator
-Samco Radiator Hoses
-Mugen Radiator Cap
-Mugen Oil Cap
-Mugen Fan Switch
-Mugen Reservoir Covers
-Buddy Club Race Spec Battery
-High Temp Black Painted Valve Cover

Trans:
-Exedy Stage 1 Clutch
-9.5lb Chromoly Flywheel
-OBX LSD
-Buddy Club Short Shifter

Suspension/Braking:
-Tein Superstreet Coilovers w/ Pillow Ball Mounts
-Skunk2 Rear Camber Kit
-CTR 22mm Rear Sway
-Comptech Front Strut Bar
-Mugen Rear Upper Tie Bar
-Wilwood Big Brake Kit
-Wilwood Front Flexline Kit
-Wilwood Front Pads
-Wilwood Comp A Pads *RACE ONLY*
-Corsport Rear Stainless Brake Lines
-Hawk HP+ Rear Pads
-OEM Rear Rotors


Interior:
-Buddy Club P1 Limited Wide Seats
-Buddy Club Super Low Down Seat Rails
-Takata 6 Point Harness
-Corsport Harness Bar and Camera Mount
-JDM Shift Boot
-UKDM Type R Cluster
-Mugen Sport Pedals
-JDM Accord Euro R Shift ****
-JDM Coin Holder
-CTR Red Vinyl Steering Wheel Badge
-DIY Painted Dash and Trim
-JDM Dual Din Cover

Exterior:
-VIS OEM Carbon Hood *Not on for Racing*
-17" Enkei RSV's
-225/45/17 Bridgestone RE01R Shaved 5/32"
-JDM Sidemarkers
-JDM CTR Badges

Alignment Specs:
-Camber F -1.8 / R -1.9
-Toe- F .06 Out / R .04 In
-50/50 Cross-weight

 

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Exedy Stage 1 Clutch
9.5lb Chromoly Flywheel
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Tad bit illegal, BTW.

 

Nice, if you like bending the rules on the Clutch.

How is the -1.8 negative camber working out in the Front? I'm probably going to wind up cranking mine up to around 2.5+.

 

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Bending? More like completely shattering. lol.

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More camber in the front is always better on these cars, period. And any in the rear is too much. OP is running 1.9 degrees negative in the rear, which is about 1.9 too much.

 

^Agreed

 

On the whole clutch and flywheel, i know my car would not be accepted in STX on the national level, however i have made it clear to the regional body that my car is technically illegal. They told me it's alright for regional competition. This is why i don't participate in National events.

Now about the camber. I understand that more camber up front is necessary, however my camber plates are currently maxed, and i need more adjustable steering arms so i can get proper toe adjustments. As for the rear camber being so high, it is necessary for my 225/45/17 RE01R's to clear the rear quarters. Before every little dip in the road would cause it to rub on the outer quarters.

It doesn't make sense, but the car really likes the adjustments i have. I'm sure more front camber will help, however i am pulling times equal to DSP cars on R Compounds! And 1 second slower than the WRX that takes STX each event!

 

Vid of my buddy and instructor for the day racing my car! Enjoy! He ran a 26.000 on this tiny course in his DSP Prepped 1999 Si and ran a 26.227 in mine while i pulled a 26.456. So that should give you an idea as to how my car is doing.

Yes i know the clutch/flywheel is illegal in my class.

 

Depending on what class i'll be racing in next year, will determine how i go about modifying the car according to that class. So if i decide to stay in STX, I will be swapping the stock flywheel and an Exedy OEM Replacement clutch back in.

The stage 1 and flywheel i have currently were done to the car before i started autocrossing the car.

 

nice. i see u got type r emblems, were they hard to put on

 

Comparing yourself to local competition is not a good yardstick. If you must, then pick someone that does well on the national level and compare with them.

Also, I can put a whoopin on Street Mod cars in my STS car in my local region, but this means very little and is hardly a good gauge for my car.

We all know that autox is 90% driver and 10% car, anyways.

And you may not like it, but you're going to have to roll those rear fenders to get rid of camber. The Spoon N1 car wasn't running almost 6 degrees front camber and zero rear because they felt like it. As for more front camber, remember that in STS, S, U, etc. you must keep the original steering geometry. So any changes to the strut arm angle/tie rod ends, etc. is technically illegal. FWIW, your Teins are illegal for STX.

Why do you think people don't really run the EP3/RSX for national level autox? Because everything that you need to do to them to get them to handle bumps them into a class that's way over their heads.

 

I am comparing myself to are National Champions! Have you ever heard of Chris Fenter? Took the championship last year in his STX prepped WRX. Or Jeff Cashmore..... There are many more that i can't name off the top of my head. So don't say im not comparing my car to people worth driving against. Although Chris has switched classes, i am still comparing my times with his. He is probably one of the best autocorssers in the nation!

I have the old version of Tein Superstreets. They didn't relocate the stock steering arms on the coils, that is why i am stuck with sh*tloads of bump steer.... I'll post up the last event's results to proove a point.

I understand that according to the 2008 National Rule Book and years following that my car is illegal. I already made mention to this. However don't underestimate my driving abilities please!

A ton of people out of Milwaukee are National Champions.


Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:07 PM 4/28/2008


Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:28 PM 4/28/2008

 

PAX Results i placed 50 out of 166

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/...x.htm

Class Results

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/...o.htm

 

Also not to offend, i don't give a sh*t about how Spoon set up their Endurance Fit. You don't copy people's tunes because you are not that person driving that car. I tune to my liking, and i like this setup. It needs more camber up front, i will agree with you on that. However i don't need to go 0 degrees in the rear because Spoon did.

The car feels more planted with the added grip and also gives me plenty of rotation in the corners. It's perfectly balanced to my liking. Maybe some little tweaks here and there to the alignment, but all around i love how my car handles. As well as many of the National competitors who have driven it.

Now if we could stop arguing about auto-x i would appreciate it! Not in my member's ride thread that is!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 20CiviC02Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also not to offend, i don't give a sh*t about how Spoon set up their Endurance Fit. You don't copy people's tunes because you are not that person driving that car. I tune to my liking, and i like this setup. It needs more camber up front, i will agree with you on that. However i don't need to go 0 degrees in the rear because Spoon did.

The car feels more planted with the added grip and also gives me plenty of rotation in the corners. It's perfectly balanced to my liking. Maybe some little tweaks here and there to the alignment, but all around i love how my car handles. As well as many of the National competitors who have driven it.

Now if we could stop arguing about auto-x i would appreciate it! Not in my member's ride thread that is!
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If this is not meant to be a tech thread, then it needs to go into the picture only thread.

But...just because it is tuned to your liking doesn't mean it is the fastest it can be. No one runs rear camber in these cars if they want one that rotates like a good handling FF car. The Spoon example is just one of the many I can think of. The HART team's RSX-S that runs in STX...zero rear camber and as much legal front camber as they can get.

In my own personal testing when I was trying to get my car setup for national level competition...as much legal front camber as I could get and zero rear.

You don't want a 'planted' car. You want a car that's loose as hell because that'll make it fast. Some can't control it, but the good drivers can and that's how the winning cars are setup.

Don't get me wrong--I'd like to see more people try to run this chassis (EP3/RSX), but there are a ton of tweaks and compromises that you need to make in order to get a car that's somewhat competitive. A stud driver in your car could probably win a few locals, but put that same driver in a properly setup 89-91 hatch and it'll be game over.

Not trying to critisize but moreover I am trying to help. You also introduced the fact that you autox, so people who have been there/done that will chime in with what works and what doesn't work with what you are trying to do.

Seriously, listen to some of the advice here if you want a faster car.

 

Just curious what do you mean by (High Octane Custom Tune)? What is the high octane that you are using?

Only performance mods that I see are
-AEM CAI
-ITR Header/Cat
-Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Comparing yourself to local competition is not a good yardstick. If you must, then pick someone that does well on the national level and compare with them.

Also, I can put a whoopin on Street Mod cars in my STS car in my local region, but this means very little and is hardly a good gauge for my car.

We all know that autox is 90% driver and 10% car, anyways.

And you may not like it, but you're going to have to roll those rear fenders to get rid of camber. The Spoon N1 car wasn't running almost 6 degrees front camber and zero rear because they felt like it. As for more front camber, remember that in STS, S, U, etc. you must keep the original steering geometry. So any changes to the strut arm angle/tie rod ends, etc. is technically illegal. FWIW, your Teins are illegal for STX.

Why do you think people don't really run the EP3/RSX for national level autox? Because everything that you need to do to them to get them to handle bumps them into a class that's way over their heads.</TD></TR></TABLE>

While it is techinaclly illegal to have the steering arms of the struts lowered, I highly doubt anyone is ever going to protest that.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blueshark123 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just curious what do you mean by (High Octane Custom Tune)? What is the high octane that you are using?

Only performance mods that I see are
-AEM CAI
-ITR Header/Cat
-Buddy Club Spec II Exhaust
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Yeah, I think it says in the rule book you have to pump gas.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 20CiviC02Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am comparing myself to are National Champions! Have you ever heard of Chris Fenter? Took the championship last year in his STX prepped WRX. Or Jeff Cashmore..... There are many more that i can't name off the top of my head. So don't say im not comparing my car to people worth driving against. Although Chris has switched classes, i am still comparing my times with his. He is probably one of the best autocorssers in the nation!

I have the old version of Tein Superstreets. They didn't relocate the stock steering arms on the coils, that is why i am stuck with sh*tloads of bump steer.... I'll post up the last event's results to proove a point.

I understand that according to the 2008 National Rule Book and years following that my car is illegal. I already made mention to this. However don't underestimate my driving abilities please!

A ton of people out of Milwaukee are National Champions.


Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:07 PM 4/28/2008


Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 8:28 PM 4/28/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>


When did you compare yourself to Chris fenter? The driver i saw you compare yourself to is Mike Vanderstappen.

 

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While it is techinaclly illegal to have the steering arms of the struts lowered, I highly doubt anyone is ever going to protest that.


Yeah, I think it says in the rule book you have to pump gas.

When did you compare yourself to Chris fenter? The driver i saw you compare yourself to is Mike Vanderstappen.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I compared myself to Chris's time all last year while he was still racing STX in the WRX. Like i said this year he switched classes. And now my only competition in STX is Mike Vanderstappen. I really would like to catch up to his times!

I would also like to catch up to Cashmore's times since he switched to street tires this year!

The car is running on 93 Pump (High Octane).

I appreciate all the advise, i wasn't in that great of a mood. So it's easy to get carried away sometimes and take what people say in a different context. Anyway the car will be completely legal next year.


Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 1:07 PM 4/29/2008

 

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While it is techinaclly illegal to have the steering arms of the struts lowered, I highly doubt anyone is ever going to protest that.

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If for some odd reason someone could figure out how to make the EP3/RSX into a national contender--don't bet against people checking this out. The only legal front strut option that I know of is Koni inserts and ground controls on the stock strut. I'm about 95% sure all Teins modify the location. I think you can get a couple of the ultra-high end solutions to work (Motons) as you can adjust where the arm goes.

Even the Acura A-Spec suspension is technically illegal because it modifys the steering arm angle.

Not that anyone is really gonna care at a local/regional, though. Only time this might be an issue is at the national championship if you trophy pretty high.

 

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If for some odd reason someone could figure out how to make the EP3/RSX into a national contender--don't bet against people checking this out. The only legal front strut option that I know of is Koni inserts and ground controls on the stock strut. I'm about 95% sure all Teins modify the location. I think you can get a couple of the ultra-high end solutions to work (Motons) as you can adjust where the arm goes.

Even the Acura A-Spec suspension is technically illegal because it modifys the steering arm angle.

Not that anyone is really gonna care at a local/regional, though. Only time this might be an issue is at the national championship if you trophy pretty high.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can show one the President of my local SCCA the BC N+ on my car and see what he says about steering arms as pertaining to the rules, and the problems I'm having with the tie rod angles

I'll probably see him Thursday night for 's

 

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I can show one the President of my local SCCA the BC N+ on my car and see what he says about steering arms as pertaining to the rules, and the problems I'm having with the tie rod angles

I'll probably see him Thursday night for 's </TD></TR></TABLE>

Trust me...I'm on the SCCA STAC (street touring advisory committee). We discussed this in detail 2 years ago.

If we allowed it, then we'd be allowing alternate ackerman angles and such, and that opens up a huge can of worms that we didn't want to deal with (think about it...you could put the strut arm anywhere). And only Hondas and a few early 80's FWD cars actually has the arm attached to the strut. So, no one was really going to complain too much as no one saw the Ep3/RSX (or early 80's FWD cars) being competitive.

 

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Trust me...I'm on the SCCA STAC (street touring advisory committee). We discussed this in detail 2 years ago.

If we allowed it, then we'd be allowing alternate ackerman angles and such, and that opens up a huge can of worms that we didn't want to deal with (think about it...you could put the strut arm anywhere). And only Hondas and a few early 80's FWD cars actually has the arm attached to the strut. So, no one was really going to complain too much as no one saw the Ep3/RSX (or early 80's FWD cars) being competitive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Awesome!, yeah I don't really see my car as being competitive at anything past the local level, so I'm not really worried about the legality of my my N+'s.
I understand about the Opening everything up though, as it must be a challenge to determine whats allowed for such a great number of cars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Trust me...I'm on the SCCA STAC (street touring advisory committee). We discussed this in detail 2 years ago.

If we allowed it, then we'd be allowing alternate ackerman angles and such, and that opens up a huge can of worms that we didn't want to deal with (think about it...you could put the strut arm anywhere). And only Hondas and a few early 80's FWD cars actually has the arm attached to the strut. So, no one was really going to complain too much as no one saw the Ep3/RSX (or early 80's FWD cars) being competitive.</TD></TR></TABLE>This is where i have a problem.... I just can't stand the fact that because people don't think our cars will ever be competitive they just leave us with the disadvantage. I don't want to rant about it, however i think there is a combo out there that could make the EP3 or DC5 competitive. We just haven't found it yet.... I'll be playing around with my EP3 for years to come in STX i think. So if i find a winning combo i'll keep you all posted.

I don't want to spend much more money on the car, so i don't think i'll be changing classes anytime soon.

 

Write a letter...seb@scca.com I believe is the email address. It'll get brought back up in the bi-monthly discussions.

The problem was and still remains: How do you write a rule allowing alternate arm angles without having unintended consequences? I had a decent idea, but a competitor could still abuse if they wanted to. Not that I think it would do any good, but who knows.

 

Well finished 2nd place again under the WRX. I am proud that i placed 29th out of 127 cars on PAX time. Hopefully i'll take down my buddy in the WRX 2 on Memorial Day weekend!

Here is the vid. There is a lot of wind noise so bare with me. I need a better camera!