NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE!
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
Here's my advice - screw the coilovers and get the HFP kit.
None of them are specifically designed for our cars, they're just mass produced and then made to fit individual cars. Without specific damping/spring rates, 'upgrading' is pointless (as I understand it). Most of these just stiffen up the ride and allow adjustable heights, none are really going to improve your handling significantly. I think it's more of a placebo affect.
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. The ride is very stiff and taught, it's honestly a challenge making this thing take a turn poorly with the kit. Also the warranty is rather nice
None of them are specifically designed for our cars, they're just mass produced and then made to fit individual cars. Without specific damping/spring rates, 'upgrading' is pointless (as I understand it). Most of these just stiffen up the ride and allow adjustable heights, none are really going to improve your handling significantly. I think it's more of a placebo affect.
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. The ride is very stiff and taught, it's honestly a challenge making this thing take a turn poorly with the kit. Also the warranty is rather nice
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (elohel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a pretty steep claim. Are you positive it's that dramatic of a difference?
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines.
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a pretty steep claim. Are you positive it's that dramatic of a difference?
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
i've been sold on the skunk2's since i saw a pic of that nhbp 4door. so thats what i've voted for.
word of advice, i'd stay away from megan racing. even though im a distributor for them, my friends rsx has the megan coils and his car makes clunking noises alot. i have megan springs on my car right now, only because i got them for 75$. i just needed a drop and didnt have too much money at the time. but when i really wanna go all out for suspension, megan would not be my first choise.
word of advice, i'd stay away from megan racing. even though im a distributor for them, my friends rsx has the megan coils and his car makes clunking noises alot. i have megan springs on my car right now, only because i got them for 75$. i just needed a drop and didnt have too much money at the time. but when i really wanna go all out for suspension, megan would not be my first choise.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how much lower would the eibach's lower the car beyond the 1-1.2" hfp springs?
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines. </TD></TR></TABLE>
how much lower would the eibach's lower the car beyond the 1-1.2" hfp springs?
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (Fueler^)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fueler^ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
how much lower would the eibach's lower the car beyond the 1-1.2" hfp springs?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Much lower. At least from the pictures I've seen on stock shocks/struts....the drop is considerably lower.
Honda claims a 1" drop with THEIR HFP springs....but I think it's closer to only about a half an inch. It's barely noticeable.
The biggest thing i'm looking for is performance. And if the HFP setup offers a good amount of gain in that area then I'll go for it.
how much lower would the eibach's lower the car beyond the 1-1.2" hfp springs?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Much lower. At least from the pictures I've seen on stock shocks/struts....the drop is considerably lower.
Honda claims a 1" drop with THEIR HFP springs....but I think it's closer to only about a half an inch. It's barely noticeable.
The biggest thing i'm looking for is performance. And if the HFP setup offers a good amount of gain in that area then I'll go for it.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Much lower. At least from the pictures I've seen on stock shocks/struts....the drop is considerably lower.
Honda claims a 1" drop with THEIR HFP springs....but I think it's closer to only about a half an inch. It's barely noticeable.
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That is kind of the reason why i do not really favor drop springs, due to loss of strut travel. However, i find that the c/o f2 get around this by a certain design feature.
How about dropping it like blue rocket, doesn't rock comptech springs on the hfps. i dig that set up, lower than stock hfp springs but not slammed (form func tradeoff) u know?
Much lower. At least from the pictures I've seen on stock shocks/struts....the drop is considerably lower.
Honda claims a 1" drop with THEIR HFP springs....but I think it's closer to only about a half an inch. It's barely noticeable.
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That is kind of the reason why i do not really favor drop springs, due to loss of strut travel. However, i find that the c/o f2 get around this by a certain design feature.
How about dropping it like blue rocket, doesn't rock comptech springs on the hfps. i dig that set up, lower than stock hfp springs but not slammed (form func tradeoff) u know?
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (Fueler^)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fueler^ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That is kind of the reason why i do not really favor drop springs, due to loss of strut travel. However, i find that the c/o f2 get around this by a certain design feature.
How about dropping it like blue rocket, doesn't rock comptech springs on the hfps. i dig that set up, lower than stock hfp springs but not slammed (form func tradeoff) u know?</TD></TR></TABLE>
True. Sportlines are rated at 1.4" drop front and rear. Moderately low......but I've seen lower...much lower. I figured it might be a good setup since it's not an overly aggressive drop. But I honestly don't know what the end result will be.
That is kind of the reason why i do not really favor drop springs, due to loss of strut travel. However, i find that the c/o f2 get around this by a certain design feature.
How about dropping it like blue rocket, doesn't rock comptech springs on the hfps. i dig that set up, lower than stock hfp springs but not slammed (form func tradeoff) u know?</TD></TR></TABLE>
True. Sportlines are rated at 1.4" drop front and rear. Moderately low......but I've seen lower...much lower. I figured it might be a good setup since it's not an overly aggressive drop. But I honestly don't know what the end result will be.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
i gotcha. Im no advocate for coilovers. but
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
None of them are specifically designed for our cars, they're just mass produced and then made to fit individual cars. Without specific damping/spring rates, 'upgrading' is pointless (as I understand it). Most of these just stiffen up the ride and allow adjustable heights, none are really going to improve your handling significantly. I think it's more of a placebo affect.
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. The ride is very stiff and taught, it's honestly a challenge making this thing take a turn poorly with the kit. Also the warranty is rather nice</TD></TR></TABLE>
A buddy of mine is rocking the AMR c/o. He ordered them custom manufactured for his dc2. He spent time on the phone with AMR going through with what his driving style is, what he looked for in a suspension. They went through what specific spring rates and dampening rates best suited for his needs. So, this is definitely a plus for c/o setups.
I remember seeing an AMR c/o thread around here for an fg2. has the same lower strut adjustablility as f2's to prevent travel loss. I would rock this set or hfp and select springs. I dont kno just my .02 for the day, cuz i think im maxed out for post quota. [noob status
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
None of them are specifically designed for our cars, they're just mass produced and then made to fit individual cars. Without specific damping/spring rates, 'upgrading' is pointless (as I understand it). Most of these just stiffen up the ride and allow adjustable heights, none are really going to improve your handling significantly. I think it's more of a placebo affect.
With the HFP suspension, you're approaching Evo X territory in terms of handling. The ride is very stiff and taught, it's honestly a challenge making this thing take a turn poorly with the kit. Also the warranty is rather nice</TD></TR></TABLE>
A buddy of mine is rocking the AMR c/o. He ordered them custom manufactured for his dc2. He spent time on the phone with AMR going through with what his driving style is, what he looked for in a suspension. They went through what specific spring rates and dampening rates best suited for his needs. So, this is definitely a plus for c/o setups.
I remember seeing an AMR c/o thread around here for an fg2. has the same lower strut adjustablility as f2's to prevent travel loss. I would rock this set or hfp and select springs. I dont kno just my .02 for the day, cuz i think im maxed out for post quota. [noob status
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's a pretty steep claim. Are you positive it's that dramatic of a difference?
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I guess that claim is pretty steep lol. I saw someone throwing a 1.06gs with their HFP suspension, Evo X is (I beleive) 1.09. That's pretty effin good to me!
And the drop isn't 'barely noticeable'. I noticed ti right away. It's the way the SI should've come stock. You said yourself performance first. Dropping your car and inch and a half on the sportlines is only going to ruin your handling.
That's a pretty steep claim. Are you positive it's that dramatic of a difference?
If so I will consider that option and possibly some Eibach Sportlines for a lower stance.
A low aggressive stance was one of the big things I was looking for because I absolutely despise fender gap. That's why I wanted the coilovers. But if they offer no decent improvements in handling performance then I will consider the HFP with Sportlines. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I guess that claim is pretty steep lol. I saw someone throwing a 1.06gs with their HFP suspension, Evo X is (I beleive) 1.09. That's pretty effin good to me!
And the drop isn't 'barely noticeable'. I noticed ti right away. It's the way the SI should've come stock. You said yourself performance first. Dropping your car and inch and a half on the sportlines is only going to ruin your handling.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (elohel)
buddy club n+ will probably not be good for DD unless you like stiff.
hfp with springs is a good setup
i would wait and see how the koni/redshift setups do and maybe get those. you';ll have to save up a little
hfp with springs is a good setup
i would wait and see how the koni/redshift setups do and maybe get those. you';ll have to save up a little
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (elohel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elohel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dropping your car and inch and a half on the sportlines is only going to ruin your handling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lowering the center of gravity in conjunction with having HFP shocks and struts ruins the handling? How so?
** EDIT **: Whoever added the Skunk 2 Pro-C coilovers.........I specifically stated that I am looking to stay at or under 1K. Pro-C are about $1500.
Dropping your car and inch and a half on the sportlines is only going to ruin your handling.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Lowering the center of gravity in conjunction with having HFP shocks and struts ruins the handling? How so?
** EDIT **: Whoever added the Skunk 2 Pro-C coilovers.........I specifically stated that I am looking to stay at or under 1K. Pro-C are about $1500.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
Tein SS are very nice I know you want to stay under 1k which they are, if you getteh EDFC you can adjust on the go, street, freeway, track. Quality parts had no issues with them at all, just make sure to get camber kit if you drop more than 1.5"
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i have owned many setups in different hondas mostly civics. ground control, tein basics, skunk2s, ksports. But the BEST by far is the tanabe sustec pro oc tpye II. I am about to order my second set. had them before on an eg hatch and 4 door. They ride Great and handle good. even all the way down. Way better for street use than anything else.
never mind tanabe doesn't make them for your car
never mind tanabe doesn't make them for your car
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Lowering the center of gravity in conjunction with having HFP shocks and struts ruins the handling? How so? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am not a suspension expert or anything, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, lowering your car creates a lower center of gravity which will help handling. However, if you lower your car to far, you can actually hurt you handling. One problem you can run into would be 'bump-steer'. This is where the suspension will toe in or out as the wheels move over bumps and during cornering. This can make your steering feel as if it has a mind of its own.
An even worse problem you can run into is when the suspension hits the limit of its travel during a corner. The suspension will slam into the bump stop. This will cause a lose of handling. You will either go sideways (hits the limit in the rear), or you will shoot off on a random tangent (hits the limit in the front).
"One of the worst things for a driver is a suspension that just barely taps the bump-stops every now and then—the car acts like it's demonically possessed and the poor driver can't figure out why."
Lowering the car (and the center of gravity) can help your handling, but only up to a certain point.
Lowering the center of gravity in conjunction with having HFP shocks and struts ruins the handling? How so?
</TD></TR></TABLE>I am not a suspension expert or anything, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, lowering your car creates a lower center of gravity which will help handling. However, if you lower your car to far, you can actually hurt you handling. One problem you can run into would be 'bump-steer'. This is where the suspension will toe in or out as the wheels move over bumps and during cornering. This can make your steering feel as if it has a mind of its own.
An even worse problem you can run into is when the suspension hits the limit of its travel during a corner. The suspension will slam into the bump stop. This will cause a lose of handling. You will either go sideways (hits the limit in the rear), or you will shoot off on a random tangent (hits the limit in the front).
"One of the worst things for a driver is a suspension that just barely taps the bump-stops every now and then—the car acts like it's demonically possessed and the poor driver can't figure out why."
Lowering the car (and the center of gravity) can help your handling, but only up to a certain point.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (chiggin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chiggin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I am not a suspension expert or anything, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, lowering your car creates a lower center of gravity which will help handling. However, if you lower your car to far, you can actually hurt you handling. One problem you can run into would be 'bump-steer'. This is where the suspension will toe in or out as the wheels move over bumps and during cornering. This can make your steering feel as if it has a mind of its own.
An even worse problem you can run into is when the suspension hits the limit of its travel during a corner. The suspension will slam into the bump stop. This will cause a lose of handling. You will either go sideways (hits the limit in the rear), or you will shoot off on a random tangent (hits the limit in the front).
"One of the worst things for a driver is a suspension that just barely taps the bump-stops every now and then—the car acts like it's demonically possessed and the poor driver can't figure out why."
Lowering the car (and the center of gravity) can help your handling, but only up to a certain point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a very nice elaborate post. But you're forgetting one thing........
I never planned on lowering the car THAT low. Low enough to cause negative effects in handling.
I am not a suspension expert or anything, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, lowering your car creates a lower center of gravity which will help handling. However, if you lower your car to far, you can actually hurt you handling. One problem you can run into would be 'bump-steer'. This is where the suspension will toe in or out as the wheels move over bumps and during cornering. This can make your steering feel as if it has a mind of its own.
An even worse problem you can run into is when the suspension hits the limit of its travel during a corner. The suspension will slam into the bump stop. This will cause a lose of handling. You will either go sideways (hits the limit in the rear), or you will shoot off on a random tangent (hits the limit in the front).
"One of the worst things for a driver is a suspension that just barely taps the bump-stops every now and then—the car acts like it's demonically possessed and the poor driver can't figure out why."
Lowering the car (and the center of gravity) can help your handling, but only up to a certain point.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a very nice elaborate post. But you're forgetting one thing........
I never planned on lowering the car THAT low. Low enough to cause negative effects in handling.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That's a very nice elaborate post. But you're forgetting one thing........
I never planned on lowering the car THAT low. Low enough to cause negative effects in handling. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I knew you wouldn't do that Rico. I was just explaining how lowering the car could ruin the handling. It was mostly for anyone who may not know. I give you more credit than that dude
That's a very nice elaborate post. But you're forgetting one thing........
I never planned on lowering the car THAT low. Low enough to cause negative effects in handling. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, I knew you wouldn't do that Rico. I was just explaining how lowering the car could ruin the handling. It was mostly for anyone who may not know. I give you more credit than that dude
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (chiggin)
I have alot of experience with the suspension on this car now. The Tein SS is total junk in my opinion. They were mentioned before so I wanted to add my 2 cents.
We have been doing significant development on the new Civic and I urge you to take a look at the results. It's amazing how similar all the current coilover setups for the new Civic are... so many are made oversees and use very basic shocks that don't really work that well. The Koni shocks that we use are definitely superiour in my opinion (and most who know agree with this). Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and mention the RedShift/Koni kits available.
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We have been doing significant development on the new Civic and I urge you to take a look at the results. It's amazing how similar all the current coilover setups for the new Civic are... so many are made oversees and use very basic shocks that don't really work that well. The Koni shocks that we use are definitely superiour in my opinion (and most who know agree with this). Anyway, I just wanted to chime in and mention the RedShift/Koni kits available.
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RedShiftChris)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RedShiftChris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The Tein SS is total junk in my opinion. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Please elaborate. Not to defend Tein or anything....but if they are "total junk" then why do a few high-profile members including Complex and his Supercharged Si run that setup on their cars?
Please elaborate. Not to defend Tein or anything....but if they are "total junk" then why do a few high-profile members including Complex and his Supercharged Si run that setup on their cars?
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
The more expensive Tein shocks are good, but the cheap Tein shocks (SS and Basic) are really aweful setups. Anyone that has those on their car is NOT an experienced suspension guy.
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (RICO_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RICO_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
** EDIT **: Whoever added the Skunk 2 Pro-C coilovers.........I specifically stated that I am looking to stay at or under 1K. Pro-C are about $1500. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Though they are over $1000 if you PM me I make special price for you Rico!
** EDIT **: Whoever added the Skunk 2 Pro-C coilovers.........I specifically stated that I am looking to stay at or under 1K. Pro-C are about $1500.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Though they are over $1000 if you PM me I make special price for you Rico!
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Re: NEED ADVICE FOR COILOVERS PLEASE! (Fueler^)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fueler^ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
A buddy of mine is rocking the AMR c/o. He ordered them custom manufactured for his dc2. He spent time on the phone with AMR going through with what his driving style is, what he looked for in a suspension. They went through what specific spring rates and dampening rates best suited for his needs. So, this is definitely a plus for c/o setups.
I remember seeing an AMR c/o thread around here for an fg2. has the same lower strut adjustablility as f2\'s to prevent travel loss. I would rock this set or hfp and select springs. I dont kno just my .02 for the day, cuz i think im maxed out for post quota.
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and from what I have found, here is the dyno from AMR, be your own judge:
A buddy of mine is rocking the AMR c/o. He ordered them custom manufactured for his dc2. He spent time on the phone with AMR going through with what his driving style is, what he looked for in a suspension. They went through what specific spring rates and dampening rates best suited for his needs. So, this is definitely a plus for c/o setups.
I remember seeing an AMR c/o thread around here for an fg2. has the same lower strut adjustablility as f2\'s to prevent travel loss. I would rock this set or hfp and select springs. I dont kno just my .02 for the day, cuz i think im maxed out for post quota.
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and from what I have found, here is the dyno from AMR, be your own judge:
