A guy I know just installed a custom "cage" into his cherokee. He FIRMLY beleives that this cage is safe and will be more than enough for the job.

However, I would have to respectfully disagree. Notice the lack of a true main hoop (no B pillar support). Granted it doesn't have to withstand a high speed crash, but a main hoop is the heart of any good cage. Also notice the lack of any good triangulation.







This thing honestly scares me, but am I the only one?

Opinions?
Thanks!
Bryson

 

I'd never ride in that.

It looks fixable as it sits, but it'd be easier to rip it out and start over.

 

A main hoop over the front seats and a single diagonal at the same point would have made it fine for "bogging", but I do agree.
Not really scary for me, just half-assed. I know so many that go without, it's at least a step in the right direction. Execution is off for sure though.

 

If it rolls with any sort of force those bends in the main hoop will just buckle and smash the guys heads with the roof bars

 

i would say it would be just fine for some rock trails. most of the time when you tip over onto the side you arent even moving. there isnt that much force when not moving. and hardly ever fall straight on top of the roof. now go tell him to take it on some rock trails and lets all find out if its suffiecient or not.

but yea i would have done it differently...

 

more safe than a cusco cage

 

LOL i saw this on jeep forum earlier i take it your Bryson over there. Well i do believe that he should have done it better in the first place but i mean mostly it ganna be tip overs if any thing at low speeds so i doubt hell have much of a problem. Then again ive see alot of real nasty hill climbs gone wrong with a big roll down so yea hed be in some real trouble in that type of situation.

But from what im taking from it he has it there more as strengthening the unibody and a looks thing rather then a roll over safety piece.

 

kind of scary looking

 

something outta madmax!

 

lol, why'd he even leave those body sides on there?? with it all cut out like that those are only going to be flapping around anyway

 

there is a main hoop.
its right over the rear axle.

granted it should be closer to the seats, but even nhra only requires it to be 6 inches within the back of the driver's helmet.


the guy should also add a horizontal bar in the middle of the main hoop right like letter "A" is in my pic.

granted, if making it from scratch, i would not do it like that either......

all in all it sucks...the hoop is way far back, and needs forward braces(door bars). it only has the rearward legs to prevent it falling back, but whats preventing it falling forward?? only roof bars, wich will make it probably buckle as said already.
Tell the idiot to gusset the cage to the roof "rails"....that car is scary...not jsut the cage....

Modified by hootiehoo at 11:46 AM 4/23/2008


Modified by hootiehoo at 11:47 AM 4/23/2008

 

I wouldnt go off-roading in that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k24em2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it rolls with any sort of force those bends in the main hoop will just buckle and smash the guys heads with the roof bars</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly why I'm calling it the "roll cage of death"

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MindLess311 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL i saw this on jeep forum earlier i take it your Bryson over there. Well i do believe that he should have done it better in the first place but i mean mostly it ganna be tip overs if any thing at low speeds so i doubt hell have much of a problem. Then again ive see alot of real nasty hill climbs gone wrong with a big roll down so yea hed be in some real trouble in that type of situation.

But from what im taking from it he has it there more as strengthening the unibody and a looks thing rather then a roll over safety piece.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol... yeah thats me. I loved his project...until I saw this.

 

Bryson, that cage is just to hold it from twisting up the unibody after being cut up. Its not for roll protection. You may want to look further into it. Will knows what he was doing while making it.

P.S. it would definately provide support in a roll over. Now go work on your Jeep turbo kit that has been coming out for 20 years.

 

Actually, heres a better idea. Why not post up that piece of **** 4.0 log manifold you made that didnt fit to save its life.

Now that was silly.

 

Figured I would post up here to "defend" myself

All this guy here has posted up are progress pics, with partial info, to better his case to make himself feel better after being reamed royally about it by nearly everyone.
If you all would like, feel free to take a look at the actual discussion, where it is clearly stated no less than 43.9 times, that the cage isnt complete, and its part of a build, and was no way intended to be final as the pictures he posted state it as. Also you will notice in the discussion the cage's purpose is nowhere near as overstated as he leads you to believe. But please dont take my word for it, endulge.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum...ge=27

Honestly, let it go and stop spreading this nonsense. The jeep isnt even registered or driving around LOL

Back to your regularly scheduled internet.


Modified by HeavyMetal at 6:17 PM 4/23/2008


Modified by HeavyMetal at 6:21 PM 4/23/2008

 

lol. Good stuff.

I guess the truth hurts. and I get this for just trying to help. Sheesh.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CSaddict &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, heres a better idea. Why not post up that piece of **** 4.0 log manifold you made that didnt fit to save its life.

Now that was silly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. Actually it fit just fine. However the customer wanted to use a turbo that the manifold wasn't designed for. Simple as that.

 

all they have to do is read for themselves.

I have no problem linking my build thread on this site, however i doubt youd be able to show this thread there on Jeepforum, because then people would be able to see past the partial information aspect that holds your entire argument together

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but a main hoop is the heart of any good cage. Also notice the lack of any good triangulation.

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Not always true, many WRC rally cars don't use a main hoop.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by essex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not always true, many WRC rally cars don't use a main hoop.</TD></TR></TABLE>

pics? Every WRC car I've seen incorporates some form of main hoop.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostwerks.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol. Good stuff.

I guess the truth hurts. and I get this for just trying to help. Sheesh. </TD></TR></TABLE>Yeah your helping a lot

 

yeah this thread was clearly made to "help" the guy out.

thats a douchebag move. do you feel better about yourself for trying to make someone look bad?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoreyR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah this thread was clearly made to "help" the guy out.

thats a douchebag move. do you feel better about yourself for trying to make someone look bad?
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You clearly have no idea whats going on so don't even try to understand.

This is what I said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bryson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really hope a main hoop is in your near future. Don't take this the wrong way but, that cage looks more like a death trap, than a life saver. Thats not the S&W kit is it?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by heavy metal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">curious to hear reasons backing up this claim. how is what i have in there right now not a main hoop? there are 2 sections in the cage that extend from floor to floor across

"death trap" and "needs more triangulation" are the 2 most overused and misused terms/sayings on internet forums.

how many main hoops does a TJ cage have(any factory cage)? how much triangulation does it have? is it made of NASA grade golden platinum cromoly space composite nuclear fission alloy? how much different is this from a factory cage? i have seen plenty of TJ cages, both first hand and not first hand, take rolls. certainly nothing beyond what this jeep will see.

sorry just a little tired of all the cage hearsay on forums. not every cage put in a jeep has to be WEROCK approved...and not only that, but its clearly stated this cage has not seen its final work, and the jeep is a work in progress as i go.

it wasnt a kit, its all being custom built
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So...I did post up "where I was hearing this." Heavy's just too ignorant to hear me out. I posted this here, because unlike the Jeepforum there are actually some professional fabricators that post here. I was curious to see their opinion on the subject, and pass that info along to him.

Oh well.

 

i've seen a LOT less....do perfectly fine.

that jeep looks to be more of a trail truck instead of any kind of rock crawler. it'll spend most of it's life in 4wL....and won't see hte kind of speed to need some funny car cage you guys are apparently expecting him to run.

it'll be 100% fine for any kind of low speed rollover.