GSR vs. LS
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GSR vs. LS
I was about to get a 98' GSR with 48k miles, but I sorta got screwed over in a deal and now I have to wait at least 2 to 4 weeks and still possibly have someone else outbid on the car for me. The local Acura dealership found a 99 integra ls with only 30000 miles on it for me. The GSR is 3 hours away, and i'l lhave to wait longer to only possibly get it. The local dealership can get me the ls for the same price or cheaper than the gsr. It also comes with a 100k mile warrenty. Should I go ahead and buy the ls? I know the gsr has 30 more hp which is really nice, but I think the torque is about the same. Is the power of the two similar??? Please give me the pro's and con's here. I just want a car!!!!!!!Money isnt really the issue anymore.
btw, both are the 5 speed models. And, the local ls is in silver instead of the white gsr. Thanks
tim
[Modified by TimmyMaryak, 5:19 PM 7/12/2002]
btw, both are the 5 speed models. And, the local ls is in silver instead of the white gsr. Thanks
tim
[Modified by TimmyMaryak, 5:19 PM 7/12/2002]
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Re: GSR vs. LS (TimmyMaryak)
I would seriously hold out for that GSR. The difference (stock) between the two is incredible. VTEC kicks ***!! 
I know it sucks to wait when you really want a car bad...but trust me, GSR's are wicked and worth the wait! I
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I know it sucks to wait when you really want a car bad...but trust me, GSR's are wicked and worth the wait! I
mine!Just my .02
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Re: GSR vs. LS (BoostingLS)
well....stock for stock I understand that the GSR will kick it's ***, but when i start doing mods(i/h/e) and maybe mess with cams later on, would the LS start to catch up?? what kind of times does the LS put out stock? Also, the LS is above the GS, right?
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Re: GSR vs. LS (GSR Girlie)
Wow, seems like the GSR is the way to go. I'll probably go ahead and test drive the LS that is here locally just for the hell of it. I know Saturday i'm meeting the guy with the GSR to test drive it, even though I can't but it yet(title issues). But I can compare the 2. I'm leaving in about 2 hours because I am going to the Dave concert first, tonight 
Anyways, i'll let you guys know what I think
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Anyways, i'll let you guys know what I thinkTim
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Re: GSR vs. LS (TimmyMaryak)
Good lord, every import forum I go to I see this exact same thread
from the honda performance FAQ:
The B18B produces more torque and HP than the B18C up till 6,000 rpm. Since drag racing for the B18C is going to be 6,000+ its quite a bit faster (.5-.6 in the quarter mile). For daily driving,the stronger midrange of the B18B is very nice to have.
If you want performance either get the LS and use the money left over to save up/buy a turbo kit or JRSC, or get the GSR.
All motor LS is very expensive for the gains compaired to a GSR.
from the honda performance FAQ:
The B18B produces more torque and HP than the B18C up till 6,000 rpm. Since drag racing for the B18C is going to be 6,000+ its quite a bit faster (.5-.6 in the quarter mile). For daily driving,the stronger midrange of the B18B is very nice to have.
If you want performance either get the LS and use the money left over to save up/buy a turbo kit or JRSC, or get the GSR.
All motor LS is very expensive for the gains compaired to a GSR.
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Re: GSR vs. LS (96_GSR)
GSR all the way...Not a chance, I would get a LS...
A turbo kit will fix that, you will be much faster than a GSR. Don't bother with the turbo kit & gsr is better argument, because if you are picking a GSR because of its speed, then the same car with a B18B turbo should be ok as well
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Re: GSR vs. LS (TimmyMaryak)
Thanks for the replies guys. I just got back from acura and test drove the 99 ls with 35k miles. I did notice it had decent torque in teh low end and was able to pull past cars without much effort. I didnt really get a chance to bring it up to 5500-6000+ rpms because the dealer was in teh car with me.(Not that he would have really cared, but anyways) I'm not sure what they are asking yet, but it shouldnt be too bad. I'll let ya'll know what i think of the ls compared to the GSR tomorrow night...
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Re: GSR vs. LS (StyleTEG)
GSR all the way...Not a chance, I would get a LS...
Why, because of the speed difference?
A turbo kit will fix that, you will be much faster than a GSR. Don't bother with the turbo kit & gsr is better argument, because if you are picking a GSR because of its speed, then the same car with a B18B turbo should be ok as well
Why, because of the speed difference?
A turbo kit will fix that, you will be much faster than a GSR. Don't bother with the turbo kit & gsr is better argument, because if you are picking a GSR because of its speed, then the same car with a B18B turbo should be ok as well
But...to each his own I guess.
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I agree with StyleTEG about the GSR being better...but I disagree about the Turbo thing. Turbos are nice for good power, but IMO it is just another extraneous thing that can break. Plus, you can't just add a Turbo and forget it...you have to upgrade internals too to take the boost, if you're going to do it right. Plus...Turbos are expensive as hell!
There are B18B Integra's here that rival TypeR times with mild allmotor, and yet people still say "I would never get an LS" because of the performance, even if they leave their GSR stock.
Hard to explain what I mean, guess I am just saying.. don't be so quick to shun an LS's performance, because you could easily find yourself loosing to one.
No disrespect to GSR's though, we all know they are
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If your a mechanic I would go LS/turbo,if not it will be a pain in the ***,even cars that come with turbo's start having major issues,and you may get by with stock internals,but sooner or later the motor is gonna die,the boost abuses it.Not to mention how on point it has to be tuned.
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I agree with StyleTEG about the GSR being better...but I disagree about the Turbo thing. Turbos are nice for good power, but IMO it is just another extraneous thing that can break. Plus, you can't just add a Turbo and forget it...you have to upgrade internals too to take the boost, if you're going to do it right. Plus...Turbos are expensive as hell!
You have some good points. I was just trying to point out some crooked logic people have. Its pretty much a general impression that GSR = Fast, LS = Slow.. when this is not the case. The difference between them stock is not a whole lot, .6 in the 1/4. The B18C1 is a more powerful, versitile engine, but the B18B has plenty of potential as well.
There are B18B Integra's here that rival TypeR times with mild allmotor, and yet people still say "I would never get an LS" because of the performance, even if they leave their GSR stock.
Hard to explain what I mean, guess I am just saying.. don't be so quick to shun an LS's performance, because you could easily find yourself loosing to one.
No disrespect to GSR's though, we all know they are
You have some good points. I was just trying to point out some crooked logic people have. Its pretty much a general impression that GSR = Fast, LS = Slow.. when this is not the case. The difference between them stock is not a whole lot, .6 in the 1/4. The B18C1 is a more powerful, versitile engine, but the B18B has plenty of potential as well.
There are B18B Integra's here that rival TypeR times with mild allmotor, and yet people still say "I would never get an LS" because of the performance, even if they leave their GSR stock.
Hard to explain what I mean, guess I am just saying.. don't be so quick to shun an LS's performance, because you could easily find yourself loosing to one.
No disrespect to GSR's though, we all know they are
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You have some good points. I was just trying to point out some crooked logic people have. Its pretty much a general impression that GSR = Fast, LS = Slow.. when this is not the case. The difference between them stock is not a whole lot, .6 in the 1/4. The B18C1 is a more powerful, versitile engine, but the B18B has plenty of potential as well.
There are B18B Integra's here that rival TypeR times with mild allmotor, and yet people still say "I would never get an LS" because of the performance, even if they leave their GSR stock.
Hard to explain what I mean, guess I am just saying.. don't be so quick to shun an LS's performance, because you could easily find yourself loosing to one.
No disrespect to GSR's though, we all know they are
There are B18B Integra's here that rival TypeR times with mild allmotor, and yet people still say "I would never get an LS" because of the performance, even if they leave their GSR stock.
Hard to explain what I mean, guess I am just saying.. don't be so quick to shun an LS's performance, because you could easily find yourself loosing to one.
No disrespect to GSR's though, we all know they are
I always watch out for LS's that have a "whine" to them or the infamous "PssSSTTTT" Turbo'ed rides will definitely hand me my *** on a platter!BTW: Happy
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Re: GSR vs. LS (SuperTech)
well u figure the gs-r nly runs .3-.6 tenths faster tahtn a ls. so i see nobig diffrence there, and a boosted ls is goin to be faster that a boosted gs-r boostin the same amount. c,mon the tq is far better unddr boost. and insurabnce is cheaper for the ls.
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Re: GSR vs. LS (SuperTech)
Check with the current of the owner of the GS-R to see if he purchased the extra warranty for it. When I bought mine, the previous owner fortunatly paid the extra 1,000 when he bought it from acura and got the longer warranty. I bought it at 44k miles and got the warranty transferred for 50 bucks. I am now covered until 100k miles or 7/14/04 which ever comes first.
You could always do a LS\VTEC, which is a LS block with a B16 or B18 head which I heard puts out decent power. I'm not sure about the labor involved but it's probably worth it. That would most likely void your warranty but you would probably be able to keep up with, if not beat, gsr's.
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You could always do a LS\VTEC, which is a LS block with a B16 or B18 head which I heard puts out decent power. I'm not sure about the labor involved but it's probably worth it. That would most likely void your warranty but you would probably be able to keep up with, if not beat, gsr's.
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Re: GSR vs. LS (krrrrrrzyrebel)
unless you're goin TURBO with the LS, I'd SERIOUSLY get the GS-R. No contest. You get MUCH more with the GS-R period. Even if you get cams, I/H/E, you won't be as fast as a GS-R. Plus its very easy to modify the GS-R and it will be even more fast...
Hold off to get the GS-R!
Hold off to get the GS-R!
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Re: GSR vs. LS (b18c1 dc2 R)
learn how to drive. my LS ran a 15.7 stock, faster than my friends 99 gsr, another buddys 95 gsr with intake, and faster than my friends 95 240 sx se with clutch and intake. get an LS. vtec is over rated
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Re: GSR vs. LS (2SLO)
vtec is over rated
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Re: GSR vs. LS (PureTeg420)
Even if you get cams, I/H/E, you won't be as fast as a GS-R. Plus its very easy to modify the GS-R and it will be even more fast...
Most I/H/E LS's I have seen run 15.4 - 15.6, which is GSR range.
True but the b18c1 is a work of art,and if you have the option cop a GSR.Its ready to go right from the door.And 1/2 a second to start with is pretty raw
I don't think a GSR is ready to go right for the door in terms of performance. I don't consider a 15 second car fast. What is great about integras is the aftermarket, and the ability to make them really fast cars.
The LS only produces more torque below 5700. The midrange on a GSR is way more superior than an LS
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