so i bought KYB AGX adjustables the other day to go with my tein s. techs. I will be doing the install myself, but i wanted to find out what problems i might run into, besides getting the bolts off. What tools exactly, i will need, and how long it will take, seeing that i do not have a lift, only a jack and 4 stands, and also do not have the tools of an auto garage. I have the OEM stock struts on there right now, its a 99 civic si. thanks guys

 

17mm socket and hand wrench for the bottom wishbone 14mm for the top of the wishbone and for the top of the strut bolt 12mm if you have a sway bar and if you take out the lower balljoint you might need a ball joint separator.

I don't use it if you turn the wheel the right way it will come out, or hit it the lower control arm in the flat spot it will pop out but loosen the lower ball joint nut don't take off if you do this because if you hit the threads lol good luck trying to get it back on

 

Will i need a spring compressor to take the springs off the shocks in order to even get the shocks off? i thought they come off as one piece, i didnt know they had to come apart in order to come off...

 

Im willing to bet the rear LCA arm bolt will be frozen in... search up on it. It sucks trust me.

You should just buy 2 new bolts from honda (there like 10 a pop) before you do the job, just to have them so you have no downtime if you have to drill it out-

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quickcivicmp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will i need a spring compressor to take the springs off the shocks in order to even get the shocks off? i thought they come off as one piece, i didnt know they had to come apart in order to come off... </TD></TR></TABLE>

You should use one. You'll have to reuse the top hats and the washers off your stock setup. Some people just loosen the bolt and let the spring shoot out, but it's kind of dangerous. You can basically rent on for free from an auto parts store. You pay for tool and then when you return it you get your money back.

I also got an electric impact gun to remove the LCA bolts. But I was able to get them off with just a breaker bar. But I live in California so rust isn't pretty much a non issue.

 

would i need a camber kit? someone said i will because my tires will wear real quick and the car wont handle as it is supposed to?

 

No you won't need a camber kit. You will need an alignment after the install. Camber kit is only necessary for like a 3in or more drop. When you lower a car your toe goes out of whack and an alignment will be necessary to correct it. Don't listen to those stating you need a camber kit b/c it's a waste of money plus your alignment will be expensive as hell if you have a camber kit. Ask those people to give you actual facts to back their camber kit solution. They can't plain and simple. If you don't believe me just ask your local automotive shop Just get an alignment and your good to go. Remember toe is what eats tires up NOT camber. Good Luck with the install though

 

Thank you! im so sick of people saying **** like that, oh you need this you need that, when i dont. They are just trying to get my money in their pocket. I heard that if i dont get a camber kit that it will just eat up my tires. but what you are saying is that as long as i get an alignment, it will not eat up my tires?

 

well...
just for reference
i have the kyb agx shocks for the last 3-4 years (same set)
lowered with dropzone coilovers
yes my car is lowered... about 2 inches off the ground so... lowered what like 4.5"
yes on my car i had to get a camber kit (skunk 2)
now this is the statement that i disagree with

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Don't listen to those stating you need a camber kit b/c it's a waste of money plus your alignment will be expensive as hell if you have a camber kit. Ask those people to give you actual facts to back their camber kit solution. They can't plain and simple. </TD></TR></TABLE>
don't listen to someone telling you that you don't need one that doesn't have a copy of your alignment in front of them.
i have a "lifetime alignment" with Firestone. cost me $160 and now i can get an alignment every day if i wanted to.
and just so you know most cars come from the factory with a camber kit (way to adjust camber)..
and i have never had a shop try to charge me more for haveing one.
and just so you know ANYTHING out of "alignment" will "eat tires" toe camber caster.
they will all [freak] your tires up.

so what type of actual facts do you need?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ask those people to give you actual facts to back their camber kit solution. They can't plain and simple. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I can


Modified by 95jeremie at 11:06 AM 4/22/2008

 

well i just wanted to see if anyone had the same setup as mine, because u say yours is dropped 4.5"?! thats crazy low. all i know is that with my setup, it will be 1.9 front and 1.7 rear. i just wanted to know, if im lowering it less then 2" then do i still need a camber kit? i just dont want to buy it, if i really honestly dont need it. thats all. because at first i thought it was just, replace springs and shocks, and you were done.

 

you shouldn't need one
however you might
get the alignment and go from there
the camber kits are easy to install so don't stress if you gotta go back and install them.
it's kinda one for them "ya gotta see how she sits" type things

just to prevent flames:
Cliff notes for the dumb asses:
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ONE BUT DON"T RULE IT OUT

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you shouldn't need one
however you might
get the alignment and go from there
the camber kits are easy to install so don't stress if you gotta go back and install them.
it's kinda one for them "ya gotta see how she sits" type things

just to prevent flames:
Cliff notes for the dumb asses:
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ONE BUT DON"T RULE IT OUT</TD></TR></TABLE>

Guy haha of course YOU would need a camber kit. Your silly *** still don't know what your talking about. Camber hardly affects tire wear. If it did then you better talk to BMW for giving a majority of their cars excessive negative camber in the rear. Please if you don't know what your saying be quiet, state FACTS not opinions. Listen OP you don't need a camber kit plain and simple especially since your drop is less than 2''. Don't be fooled by those who just buy flashy stuff online because they HEARD it helped tire wear issues. Know your facts, do whats right, and save your money for another improvement to your whip.

P.S. you still didn't give any facts. I did

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Guy haha of course YOU would need a camber kit. Your silly *** still don't know what your talking about. Camber hardly affects tire wear. If it did then you better talk to BMW for giving a majority of their cars excessive negative camber in the rear. Please if you don't know what your saying be quiet, state FACTS not opinions. Listen OP you don't need a camber kit plain and simple especially since your drop is less than 2''. Don't be fooled by those who just buy flashy stuff online because they HEARD it helped tire wear issues. Know your facts, do whats right, and save your money for another improvement to your whip.

P.S. you still didn't give any facts. I did </TD></TR></TABLE>
Why say he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he's wrong when both of you are saying he won't or in his case shouldn't need the kit??? are you saying not to listen to what you say read the cliffs notes


Modified by Remington at 2:45 PM 4/22/2008

 

ok guy
i was hoping that you would be back
well tell me why i was going through 4 SETS of tires a year for the 2 years that i didn't have a camber kit?
and caster and toe were in line...
only thing out was camber

BMW understands that some...SOME neg. camber will improve handling
plz explain how a tire that sits like / is not going to eat away at the inside of the tire...
that is rubber and deteriorates...
i understand your point that he shouldn't need one however just don't rule it out till you see the paper.

so back at ya provide some facts...
this should be fun

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Remington &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why say he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he's wrong when both of you are saying he won't or in his case shouldn't need the kit??? are you saying not to listen to what you say</TD></TR></TABLE>

Kid you seriously just wasted a post. If you read correctly we didn't say the same thing because if we did he would not have blatantly said I DISAGREE WITH YOU. Seriously read and stop wasting posts with non-tech jumble, I hate I'm doing it now, but you were so adamant about trying to call me out I thought I'd set you straight.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what type of actual facts do you need?</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

so you're saying he will need one right?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you shouldn't need one
however you might
get the alignment and go from there
the camber kits are easy to install so don't stress if you gotta go back and install them.
it's kinda one for them "ya gotta see how she sits" type things

just to prevent flames:
Cliff notes for the dumb asses:
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ONE BUT DON"T RULE IT OUT</TD></TR></TABLE>
what I got from that was you most likely won't need one but seeing that every car is different you may, finish what he's doing and THEN decide if a camber kit is in order, take your own advice, read, or learn to, and stop the flaming, your right I did call you out you qouted someone saying that you shouldn't need the kit but you may to make the point that he was absolutely wrong (did you mean correct? again)you don't need the camber kit


on a more personal note you seem to know how old I am, what with the kid bullsh!t, so enlighten me crusty how old am I


Modified by Remington at 3:05 PM 4/22/2008

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now this is the statement that i disagree with</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't listen to those stating you need a camber kit b/c it's a waste of money plus your alignment will be expensive as hell if you have a camber kit. Ask those people to give you actual facts to back their camber kit solution. They can't plain and simple. </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't listen to someone telling you that you don't need one that doesn't have a copy of your alignment in front of them.
i have a "lifetime alignment" with Firestone. cost me $160 and now i can get an alignment every day if i wanted to.
and just so you know most cars come from the factory with a camber kit (way to adjust camber)..
and i have never had a shop try to charge me more for haveing one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95jeremie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just to prevent flames:
Cliff notes for the dumb asses: aka YOU
YOU SHOULDN'T NEED ONE BUT DON"T RULE IT OUT</TD></TR></TABLE>

reading&gt;you (spivt11)


Modified by 95jeremie at 5:56 PM 4/22/2008


Modified by 95jeremie at 6:01 PM 4/22/2008

 

Now how long did it take you to think of all of that. LOL Silly ***.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spivt11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now how long did it take you to think of all of that. LOL Silly ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>

nice facts... stay on topic

wow this is fun... your retarded "de de de"
for the record school girls are silly.
now that your fixation is addressed with them you can start to address the problem... yourself
and keep my *** out of your fantasies

 

to the OP, make sure use the 10, 12, or 14mm (forgot the size) nuts that kyb provides. Use two nuts on each shock.

 

so.. ya done yet?

 

I think he left..... Don't know about you but I really feel "set straight" or at least reaffirmed

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Remington &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he left..... Don't know about you but I really feel "set straight" or at least reaffirmed</TD></TR></TABLE>

i truly was hoping that he would log back on today ha ha
and he did
it's all good hopefully he learned something today
no hard feelings (all tho that "silly ***" comment... twice... I'm a grown *** man )

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Remington &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he left..... Don't know about you but I really feel "set straight" or at least reaffirmed</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll state facts like I did before. Camber doesn't eat tires, toe does. camber affects tires but tread wear is negligible. And just so you know an alignment for a 5th gen civic is cheaper than lets say an acord because civics don't have camber assemblies. Just thought you should know call pep boy's if you don't believe me lol. If camber ate tires why do cars come from factory with camber already. Cars don't come from factory with toe. OP zero degree toe is what you want point blank. No camber kit will solve that. Those are the facts and more than enough people up here will tell you of their lowered cars with proper alignment and no camber kits having good tread on their tires. I hope everyone in reaffirmed Also I wouldn't need a print out of his suspension specs because all cars come virtually identical from factory and unless he has some sort of malfunctioning suspension part his specs will be very very similar to anyone elses with the same civic and drop.