Hey guys- I just purchased a Borger Warner 57 trim .55ar turbocharger brand new. It came very fast, but i noticed a few thigns that came to question in my mind.

1. The cold side says .60... is it me or is this the wrong turbo?


2. The turbo has oil/dirt all over the backplate on the cold side. Whats up with this? The rest looks brand new...
(see below picture)

3. The "vin" tag on the turbo is ripped off. Why would this be? does this look suspicious to anyone?




4. Wheres my warranty info? There was no warranty cards, tags, paperwork, ect with the box except for a small sheet that said must have 60 psi of oil pressure which leads me to...


5. will -3an line be plenty? I have always used -3an lines on turbo builds no issue. In fact I usually use a restrictor. A typed up sheet included said no restrictor and to use -4an lines. Is this normal? I used -3an and a restrictor with a ebay turbo, as well as a garrett- both were brand new and had no mention otherwise.

 

The advertised A/R is always the hot side. The cold side is usually a bit bigger, so .60 is fine. Doesn't sound like the wrong turbo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The advertised A/R is always the hot side. The cold side is usually a bit bigger, so .60 is fine. Doesn't sound like the wrong turbo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ic ic - thanks! hope to hear more input though guys

 

I am one of the owners of Bullseye Power. We made the unit you have. Judging from the pics, that is a true Bullseye Power unit. It is common for us to remove seal plate tags like what you see in the picture. No need to worry.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbodano &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am one of the owners of Bullseye Power. We made the unit you have. Judging from the pics, that is a true Bullseye Power unit. It is common for us to remove seal plate tags like what you see in the picture. No need to worry.
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Hmm thats strange- just curious as to why they are removed from the factory? Kind of defeats the purpose no? manufacture something then remove it.
Anyways- thanks for answering that question, so only 2 left are the oil/ grime stains, and the missing warranty info-

 

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so only 2 left are the oil/ grime stains</TD></TR></TABLE>


are you serious?

 

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Yup, the compressor A/R is typically one size and not an option.

 

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are you serious?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes I am... why would I post something if Im not wondering about it. I payed 600 dollars for a new product, and its all oily and grimy? and theres no paperwork about warranty information. Cmon- thats the problem with the import world. No one expects quality goods, and when a product fails they just say oh well. We get screwed way to often by shops, people, and companies. I find it to be completely unacceptable, and dont want it to happen to me. sorry if that confuses you

 

Turbine housings and CHRAs are cast iron, they will rust if they're dry. It's totally normal for a new turbo to be oily. And as i'm sure you know, dirt and dust will stick to oil.

In the end, shouldn't you be asking these questions to the vendor you purchased the turbo from?

 

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I find it to be completely unacceptable, and dont want it to happen to me. sorry if that confuses you</TD></TR></TABLE>


It does not confuse me, what confuses me is how people become so **** over little **** like some dirt stuck to oil on a Turbocharger, and then sign online and post the question on Honda-Tech. If you even knew the slightest thing about Metals that are not stainless, you would of never asked this question.

For your issue, I suggest you get your 10 little digits and a rag and wipe it off, and if that dont work then you can do 1 of 2 things, you can accept that your turbo is going to get dirty the day you start using it, or you can be a ***** and request Bullseye to take your turbo back and have them do a custom polishing job because you feel ripped off on your $600 Turbo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Turbine housings and CHRAs are cast iron, they will rust if they're dry. It's totally normal for a new turbo to be oily. And as i'm sure you know, dirt and dust will stick to oil.

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I emailed the honda-tech vendor- of course no responce yet.
As for the issue with the oil, isnt it kind of strange that the oil is in one 4" area? If its brand new how could dirt and grime get on it though? My only expanation is when they balance them, they shoot oil through the CHRA, and its from that?

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It does not confuse me, what confuses me is how people become so **** over little **** like some dirt stuck to oil on a Turbocharger, and then sign online and post the question on Honda-Tech. If you even knew the slightest thing about Metals that are not stainless, you would of never asked this question.

For your issue, I suggest you get your 10 little digits and a rag and wipe it off, and if that dont work then you can do 1 of 2 things, you can accept that your turbo is going to get dirty the day you start using it, or you can be a ***** and request Bullseye to take your turbo back and have them do a custom polishing job because you feel ripped off on your $600 Turbo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I just wanted an answer not for people to flip out and criticize me. As a consumer, I purchase things, and usually they come in a package, with paperwork, as well as being spotless clean. Its kind of fishy. When I purchased my last garrett, it came well packaged, with paperwork ect.

Im not being a ***** and I could care less if its dirty though. Im just worried I wound up with used parts, or it was mishandled without proper sealing leading to dirt ect in the CHRA, messing it up.

Sorry I wasnt born knowing everything about turbochargers and how they come from the factory

 

Have you called the shop you purchased it from?

 

man you can tell the difference between a used turbo and a new turbo even if it is dirty. This is nuts, and this is coming from someone that will not stop bitching to get what is due to me when something happens or something doesn't come in the proper manner to my door step providing i do things proper myself.

 

From what I see in the pics it is a brand new turbo. I mean, just look at the impeller, for example. That turbo has never been used. Don't mind the dirt, as it has been mentioned before, dirt sticks to oil.

 

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no number listed- I got it all on today though, gona start it up once i finish my exhaust


To everyone:
im not complaining its dirty, im just wondering why there was the oil on it... thats not a issue anymore

so lastly, warranty, or is there none?

Thanks!

 

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no number listed- I got it all on today though, gona start it up once i finish my exhaust


To everyone:
im not complaining its dirty, im just wondering why there was the oil on it... thats not a issue anymore

so lastly, warranty, or is there none?

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what kind of shop doesnt have a phone number listed?

 

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It does not confuse me, what confuses me is how people become so **** over little **** like some dirt stuck to oil on a Turbocharger, and then sign online and post the question on Honda-Tech. If you even knew the slightest thing about Metals that are not stainless, you would of never asked this question.

For your issue, I suggest you get your 10 little digits and a rag and wipe it off, and if that dont work then you can do 1 of 2 things, you can accept that your turbo is going to get dirty the day you start using it, or you can be a ***** and request Bullseye to take your turbo back and have them do a custom polishing job because you feel ripped off on your $600 Turbo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

how bout you relax and leave the guy alone? not everyone knows as much as you smart guy. this is a forum where people ask questions. if that "confuses" you then maybe you shouldnt be here. I see no problem with his questions, but your answers are unnecessary. if I received a new turbo with dirt all over it, and the vin tag ripped off, I might question it too. my garrett turbo came in a box, sealed, with form molded foam, and no serial numbers ripped off. I didnt have to question it.

 

Is this a Garrett Turbo? I guess I dont nit pick all the little things in life and just find the best in things, if I opened that box and saw a little crud I would of just wiped it off with my hand and installed the turbo, and would of opted to not go in the closet to get my Inspector Gaget suit out to begin to dissect the turbo. Only thing that would of struck me as slightly odd was the ripped off tag, in which I would of casually pm'd/emailed/called the guy I bought the product from and got an explanation. This is apparently not this guys first rodeo, he already stated this is his 3rd turbo.... how much does 1 not learn after going through 3 turbo setups? Sorry if I bothered you

 

i didnt really read much of the thread, just make sure you run a -4 feed line

 

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Did you even read the title?

 

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Listen to this man.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96 GSR-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is this a Garrett Turbo? I guess I dont nit pick all the little things in life and just find the best in things, if I opened that box and saw a little crud I would of just wiped it off with my hand and installed the turbo, and would of opted to not go in the closet to get my Inspector Gaget suit out to begin to dissect the turbo. Only thing that would of struck me as slightly odd was the ripped off tag, in which I would of casually pm'd/emailed/called the guy I bought the product from and got an explanation. This is apparently not this guys first rodeo, he already stated this is his 3rd turbo.... how much does 1 not learn after going through 3 turbo setups? Sorry if I bothered you

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Im not here to argue man.
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Re-Read the title/ body...

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So if you purchased a new pair of shoes, and the label was ripped off, and there was a smudge, youd just continue on your way? and not question it? that sounds sheepish...

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wait so im lacking knowledge because ive bought 2 turbos before, new that didnt have ripped off tags, or oil stains, but on my 3rd it does have those issues, and im uneducated in this? wat?

anyways- just stay out of this thread, you havnt helped.

In for good input...

 

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Listen to this man.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Ive been a fan of Tony's work for at least 3 years or so now definately one of the guys who knows his stuff in this business.

 

Lol, when I buy a product made from cast iron or raw steel, I'd rather it be covered in an anti-corrosion film rather than RUST. If you want a turbo to be shipped to your door free of all specs of collected dust in oil, then only buy the ceramic coated parts.

About that shoe analogy - you've been given the answer by the OWNER of the turbo company. If I bought a shoe as described, I'd ask too. But I'd stop bitching, I mean asking, if I was told that my shoe arrived just as everyone else's shoes arrived, and that the 'condition' it arrived in was done for a reason (to keep it in the best condition possible). Maybe it because I don't mind wiping a smudge off my shoe, or dealing with a stray thread??

If you've ever dealt with bone-dry cast iron turbo housings, you'll know in a few short days it will be covered in rust. Oil &gt; rust.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo-charged &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i didnt really read much of the thread, just make sure you run a -4 feed line</TD></TR></TABLE>

Noob question, but why not a -3 feed line?