hi guys
i have been lurking the forums for a while now and decided to finally register. I have been drag racing with my civic ('90 model) for a few years now. i swapped the engine and installed a h22a. i have been running the car with slight mods here and there and have been running on nitrous. I managed to slowly get low 11s and a few times into the high 10s. 10.8 to be exact. I know my car really well and what it is capable off but now i have switched to turbo and i am just new at this. Here are some pics of the engine so now for my question. the turbo is right behind the intercooler but i have noticed that many people keep it above and with a certain angle. does it really matter what the angle is or where the turbo is located or is it all about piping? the car is almost done. all i need is a good radiator and a boost controller (any recommendations?).

current engine mods are:
(h22a)
Eagle connecter rods
JE pistons 10:0 compression ratio
BC spring valve retainers

Greddy T78 turbo
ATI super damper
Greddy intercooler
Greddy wastegate 1.0 bar
Tial bov
custom headers
custom exhaust
ACT six pack pressure clutch
1600 injector
nitrous jet blade and system edelbrock
driveshaft shop level 5.9 driveshaft and axles
aem fuel rail
aem fuel regulator

motec m400

weld racing rims plus Mickey Thompson tires

i know i am forgetting a few things but thats about it on the car.

hoping to enter the high 9's next so fingers crossed, by 27 april i will know

 

Its all about efficiency....play with different configurations to work out all the kinks and find out what you like best, usually in my opinion, clocking the turbo is done for room in the engine bay, but if you are running a one peice front end, just do what is the easiest to work on.

If I were you I would post in the forced induction forum, or better yet, there are a LOT of guys with good info about thins in the drag forum

 

Bro Call me, I live in Jufayr! 36683187. I might have a few suggestions for you!
Gamble-Did-it!

 

just looking at that scares me.

 

yesterday was the race day and we managed to be in 3rd pace with so much luck on our side. motec finally got tuned but on the race to determine between third and second place, the went went kapoof. the driveshaft and axles on the car are stock so launching the car was a risk we took.

received level 5.9 drivesfaft and axles today from drive shaft shop and simpsons parachute. car looks like junk from the pics above so its going in tomorrow for a new paint job and roll cage with a wheelie bar.

everytime the car is launched, either the clutch line is melted or the turbo piping comes off. it seems like the intercooler is taking up so much space so i am opting for a ice box to replace it.

i have seen civics make 8 sec passes and i am hoping that we can accomplish this with a h22a motor. the clutch is stock (yes i know very stupid but we went off our budget so at the time we couldnt do anything).

my next modifications to the car will be a ice box (not really sure what they call 'em but i know spearco makes a good one. any other ideas will be appreciated), powermaster battery with the charging device, and a good clutch. However i am not sure whether to go with a twin or triple plate clutch. I would love to do a sequential box but spending 30k is not an option for me.

i wonder what all of you do in cases like this.

also i made a mistake of installing a blow off valve in the car so that will go next time.

thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread

 

that bitch look nasty!!!

 

car does look sick.

my advice on the clutch line melting is to use steel braided. for the turbo piping, use longer silicone hose/coupling. like samco, i think they also make custom applications.

 

Not sure if you do have a setup for it but....maybe some fresh air for the turbo, looks like it's just pulling from the hot engine bay. Maybe leave the left headlight out and pipe the opening right to the turbo.

 

90_EX_civic that seems like a great idea. i am starting with that asap.

creator, everything in the car is crammed and you are right, there is no fresh air for the turbo. there is also no place for me to install a intake manifold because it touches the firewall which now seems like we need to re-arrange a few things. the only thing that is bugging me is the intercooler. it takes up so much space. i want to fit a ice box but i just dont know who makes them. that would save me a lot of space. another major problem is that we are want to install a GT42 garrett turbo but that alone is frickin huge. the hood as you can see from the pic is actually melting away due to the heat and the headers doesnt look like it will last for much longer.

what i am planning on doing is to extend the car's front end to fit a ice box or whatever its called and powermaster xs and the gt42 towards the right side. then make the piping all the way to the hood of the car for better breathing. the hood will be done soon and we will test it out on the t78 greddy that is currently on there. this way we can ditch a few unwanted things and create more space. the venom intake manifold with skunk2 66mm throttle body and msd throttle position sensor seem to be our best bet but the intake manifold looks like it will hit the firewall. i am not sure what to do with this cause i need to review the rule book and if i recall correctly, outlaw 4 cyd fwd cars can not modify the firewall according to nhra but again that needs to be checked.

a stiffer and safer roll cage and roll bar will be done in the next few days and there is no time to paint this already ugly car to a bunch of stickers to cover the cracks will do for now lol.

any ideas on what headers and wastegate to get with a gt42 setup? also not sure whether i should go with ball bearing or not. i wonder if anyone has managed to make high 8's with a h22a motor.

 

i personally would get rid of the aem fuel regulator there are better regulators out there especially if your boosting i've had the seats go out on my aem six times already and the seat never fully seated either

 

for your icebox, just look up liquid-air, or air-liquid intercoolers. who you pick is up to you.

for you manifold problem, ever thought of going with a different type or a custom made one?

 

Wish I knew more about turbos, but I'm just getting into them myself. I think I saw that your still running the stock front cross member. I know that innovative mounts makes one that will give you a little more room up there & make it easier to run that radiator. They have two different versions of it one that gives you lots of room & less ground clearance & one thats closer to the stock fitting. I know these bars can also incorporate a front engine mount for a B motor, not sure if it works or if they have it for an H.
Here's a look at it with a B series

Ohh yea this is the one with less ground clearance. Don't know if thats where you need the room.

 

here's some more advice. since the car is a straight drag car, put your turbo in a top mount position, and make the intake side face out. that way the intercooler won't get in the way. but if you're going to get the water-air intercooler, then keep it were it is but still turn the turbo facing out.

and on another note. you asked if there was anyone that made it into the 8's with a h22? if i can remember right, i think steph papadakis (weird name) when he ran the old ek, he ran a h22, in a uni-body. first honda to hit 8 if im not mistaken, or was it the first uni-body honda to hit 8? or both? don't really remember, was a long time ago. ahhh, the good old days when they all ran high compression and non ball bearing turbos(well some of them did). old school.

 

i know that the turbo is crammed in there and has less space to breath but i mouted the purge for the nitrous around the intercooler for now. wheelie bar is done and a roll cage is going to be painted today. got a stage 6 fx600 clutchmaster clutch and fuel filter and greddy timing belt (a headache to install) and then there is the intake manifold which wont fit unless i make space by modifying it to fit which i wont do since i am running out of time. my only worry is the boost leak. the pipe comes off the clamps every time which sucks but i have another idea to fix this problem.

Then problem now is that i try my best to look for a car with a h22a motor that has gone in the 8s but i am having trouble with it. i have a friend here who owns a team in the u.s (tactics racing. they got the castrol syntec honda which is led by scott revell and driven by jojo calos) but he is not in the country so i cant do anything much to the car. his new car is set to go in the 8's all motor with a h22a motor but i have yet to hear anything about it.

if this car doesnt go in the 9's this time then i am getting rid of this turbo. i dont know **** about hondas and this is my first time being involved with a honda. hopefully this thursday i can atleast qualify with all the guys that bought their cars from the u.s for 60k ready to race. so fingers crossed..............

 

here you go man:
http://www.preludeonline.com/f...39715/

steph papadakis. he ran a honda/aem sponsored h22 in a civic hatch. first front wheel drive into the 7's. then he went rear wheel drive and went into the 6's(nsx engine, i think).

 

thanx for the info

i looked into everything steph has done to the car but unfortunately in my country the rules are different. i cant have a car with a modified firewall. the firewall needs to be untouched or else the car doesnt enter the race. i contacted kenny tran about purchasing the q civic since he is busy with the scion but the price was a bit off of what i had in mind. still thinking about it though

i put a '95 civic hatch which already has a h22a motor and gear for dirt cheap and looking into starting this as my next project. the other car is driving me crazy. no matter what i do, 9's seem impossible to break. the best i have done is 10.48@128mph and the final race was frustrating cause the colt i was up against had something wrong with his car and barely passed the finish line while i jumped a red light. so close to first place but again luck was on my side. i went up against a 9.8 sec crx who had a problem at the start and a 9.1 sec civic who also had a problem laucnching so again pure hilarious luck (if there is such a thing) was on my side. i am changing the rims and tires from 13s with 24 inch tires to 15x8 with 26 inch MTs. wheel spin is also one hell of a bitch so i wont know how i would do until the next test and tune.

 

Sounds like a tough crowd to compete with. Another thing I noticed that may help a little is an under tray. Perhaps you just had it off in the pictures. It would help reduce wind resistance and by doing so make it easier and quicker to achieve a higher speed. I will eventually put one on my car and will probably use aluminum.

On my old CRX I used to hit top speed 115 mph on the highway no problem. I took it out quite some time since going that fast and couldn't get past 105. I determined that some idiot that worked on the car left the under tray off & one of my inner fender moldings. After replacing these 115 came right back.

 

hey, was thinking since you can't cut your fire wall, why not hammer it? just message it a little till your manifold fits. since im pretty sure your car is already caged, this won't hurt your car.