Okay ive been researching sway bars for some time and i discovered that theres a saturation of information for rear sway bars but not too much information about front sway bars. In fact some of the threads contradicted each other!

So here's what i know:
My EK does not have a mounting point for sway bars therefore other front LCAs are REQUIRED (from either a HX/EX or Si/CTR)
Si/Type R Front LCA's are needed for using the 26mm Type R/Si Sway Bar
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The EX/HX Front LCA's are needed for pretty much every other Sway Bar

What got me confused is the integra bars

Correct me if im wrong but it seems that the 24mm ITR Swaybar will require an ITR LCA which is incompatible with an EK (however people on here have mounted them using the HX/EX LCA with Si Endlinks?)

And now with the GSR bar
Ive read that the 24mm GSR bar is the same as the type R bar and ive also read that its the same as the EX/LS bars

Im intrested in 24mm or larger bars so that leaves the DOHC Del Sol, the GSR, the ITR, and the Si/CTR bars

So i need some clarification with the GSR/ITR sway bars

 

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What got me confused is the integra bars

Correct me if im wrong but it seems that the 24mm ITR Swaybar will require an ITR LCA which is incompatible with an EK (however people on here have mounted them using the HX/EX LCA with Si Endlinks?)
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I think you will get mix reviews on this one. My friend used a JDM ITR (25MM) on his EJ6, what he did was a mix between Civic EX/HX FLCA and Integra FLCA. Since the EX/HX set up is similar to Integra FLCA, he used Integra Sway Bar Kit (ES)

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So I need some clarification with the GSR/ITR sway bars
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I couldn’t find the actual bar (didn’t search very well) but I found the bushing:

1) GSR - 2000 - Front Sway bar - 24MM
51306-ST7-000 BUSH, STABILIZER HOLDER (24MM)

2) ITR - 2000 - Front Sway Bar - 24MM
51306-ST7-Z01 BUSH, STABILIZER HOLDER (24MM)

So you are correct they are both the same

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If possible I would recommend the Si/CTR combo you will obtain 26MM. I know some people are happy with EX/HX setup. Due to the bigger bars = under steer (please correct me if I am wrong) but you can add a bigger rear sway bar to neutralize the effect.



Modified by JDMFreak at 11:18 AM 3/27/2008

 

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I think you will get mix reviews on this one. My friend used a JDM ITR (25MM) on his EJ6, what he did was a mix between Civic EX/HX FLCA and Integra FLCA. Since the EX/HX set up is similar to Integra FLCA, he used Integra Sway Bar Kit (ES)
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How exactly did ur friend do that?

Cause i would really want the ITR bar

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If possible I would recommend the Si/CTR combo you will obtain 26MM. I know some people are happy with EX/HX setup. Due to the bigger bars = under steer (please correct me if I am wrong) but you can add a bigger rear sway bar to neutralize the effect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah the 26MM is a great bar that will give u under steer but can be balanced out with a large sway bar our rear
I would love to have the Si/CTR bar but the thing is since those LCAs are RARE, they are PRICEY. That is because they ONLY came off 99-00 Si's or CTRs

 

for some more info

 

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I think you will get mix reviews on this one. My friend used a JDM ITR (25MM) on his EJ6, what he did was a mix between Civic EX/HX FLCA and Integra FLCA. Since the EX/HX set up is similar to Integra FLCA, he used Integra Sway Bar Kit (ES)

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I couldn’t find the actual bar (didn’t search very well) but I found the bushing:

1) GSR - 2000 - Front Sway bar - 24MM
51306-ST7-000 BUSH, STABILIZER HOLDER (24MM)

2) ITR - 2000 - Front Sway Bar - 24MM
51306-ST7-Z01 BUSH, STABILIZER HOLDER (24MM)

So you are correct they are both the same

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If possible I would recommend the Si/CTR combo you will obtain 26MM. I know some people are happy with EX/HX setup. Due to the bigger bars = under steer (please correct me if I am wrong) but you can add a bigger rear sway bar to neutralize the effect.

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The Integra Type-R and GS-R AND GS/SE models all use a 24mm front sway bar. The only differences between these models are in the bushings(both the D-brackets and the endlinks. As with quite a few other ITR bushings, they're exactly the same as the lower model range parts, except that they're stiffer.) The Integra LS and RS use a 22mm front swaybar with a less responsive endlink design, so the ITR/GSR/GS bars and endlinks are definitely preferable.



Modified by AltimaXX at 7:16 AM 3/29/2008

 

Okay cool

I managed to come up on some Si FLCA's for cheap
And i found a seller for the sway bar and endlinks

But now i need the shock forks, since the stock ones do not fit!

So my new question is, What forks can I use if there are any others besides the Si/CTRs???

 

None.

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with the 26mm front bar, especially if you have an open diff. It was my number one peeve with my EM1. The 22mm non-Si bar is near ideal for most apps.

 

That's a good point. 26mm is a huge front bar. That's the same size as the Mugen upgraded bar for the DC2 chassis, in fact.

 

Well i pretty much have everything except the forks which i plan to buy and install by this weekend so a little late for that

I plan on going LSD once i am ready to swap out motors so an open diff wont be there for too long

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And might as well start off big so i dont have to upgrade it later. If i dont like the added understeer could i not just correct it with a even bigger bar out back?

 

You can do whatever you'd like, but just using progressively larger sway bars on both ends to tune the balance (and running ginormous sway bars in general) to me is a bit like using a chainsaw to slice a tomato. While I don't like to run without at least some bar in front and rear, I don't like the huge bars at all.

I prefer to maximize grip at one end before I resort to removing it from the other. I have never felt the need to go larger than the 22mm OE bar up front.

 

I don't understand why folks do not follow that advise. I've always felt swaybars are used to 'fine' tune a set up. I actually like the notion of trying to do without a bar at one end...but these are still commuter cars at heart.

 

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LMAO

I guess i like to overdo it?...

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And the reason why im doing it is because if a civic type r comes with that setup from the factory why cant my car do the same

I think honda knew what they were using when putting such large bars on their cars

 

Yeah i had to bring up this post one more time real quick...


The bolt for where the fork attaches to the LCA (the 17mm with the 17mm nut)

Will my stock bolt be long enough?

If not what other car came with those longer bolts or would u guys recommend buying another 17MM bolt from a hardware store?

 

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I think honda knew what they were using when putting such large bars on their cars</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's some rather faulty logic and I completely disagree based on personal experience, but whatever, it's your car.

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Will my stock bolt be long enough?

If not what other car came with those longer bolts or would u guys recommend buying another 17MM bolt from a hardware store?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm showing different part numbers for that bolt on cast vs. stamped control arms. That doesn't necessarily mean your stock bolt won't work, but it does mean they're different. Both are SH3 parts though, meaning the bolt for stamped arms is not unique so you should be able to find one somewhere on another '88-00 Civic if your original bolt isn't long enough.

I do not recommend using common hardware store hardware for suspension bolts for several reasons. Order one up from Honda if you must; part number is 90183-SH3-000 and price is $8.68.

If you absolutely have to get something from a hardware store, make sure it is metric Class 10.9 or SAE Grade 8. Thread is M12x1.25, and the Honda catalog says length is 115. Bolts are sold by diameter not socket size, so forget the 17mm part.

 

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I'm showing different part numbers for that bolt on cast vs. stamped control arms. That doesn't necessarily mean your stock bolt won't work, but it does mean they're different. Both are SH3 parts though, meaning the bolt for stamped arms is not unique so you should be able to find one somewhere on another '88-00 Civic if your original bolt isn't long enough.

I do not recommend using common hardware store hardware for suspension bolts for several reasons. Order one up from Honda if you must; part number is 90183-SH3-000 and price is $8.68.

If you absolutely have to get something from a hardware store, make sure it is metric Class 10.9 or SAE Grade 8. Thread is M12x1.25, and the Honda catalog says length is 115. Bolts are sold by diameter not socket size, so forget the 17mm part.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the quick reply Targa, will try the dealer first and see if they have any in stock, then go looking for a longer bolt off a 88-00 civic, and if neither work out go get some grade 8 bolts at a hardware store

and the reason i was bringing up socket size was as a reference to which bolt i was referring to

 

I know this thread is old but how did you make out?

 

Oh wow this is an old post!

This brings me back to my noob suspension days...

I dont know what you are referring to but ill tell you everything. I bought CTR front LCAs and swaybar w/endlinks for cheap off a local shop. I then bought the Si shock forks of a local HT member. Finally to get it installed, I bought some cheap grade 5 bolts just to get me to the honda dealership where i purchased those LCA bolts new. Cost me 10 bucks a bolt IIRC

But thats basically it. LCA, fork, sway bar, endlinks, and the longer LCA bolt

 

awesome bro. thanks.

 

Did you get a rear sway bar? I would hate to have a front sway and no rear sway.

 

Dude, this thread is over a year old!. No need for people to keep asking questions! Mods, lock this thread!

(And yes Arthas I have a big rear sway to balance the handling, and no i do not have an understeering problem to those who may want to ask)

 

Why lock the thread? Great info here. I'm glad I found it.

 

Re front drivers and balance... both front and rear bars should be tuned so that the inside front tire has as much grip as possible...exceeding this sweet spot is revealed by an inside rear wheel lifting off the ground The actual size of the bars is determined buy a whole bunch of other choices...

 

 

Old thread but better than brining up a new one, does anyone know if I can use Gsr front LCA's on my Ek hatch? Found someone selling full brake swap + f/r sways and LCA's for $300.... seems like a great price

Also with the rear bar (would be the GSR one) I have to use the Si rear sway bar enlinks right?

 

You can use the GSR rear section and bolt it up to your EK/EJ front section. Replace the GSR rear compliance bushing with the one from your EK/EJ.

This will give you the right bushings all around but allow you to bolt up your sway bar.