Honda Bull's 2007-2008 Build & Setup Thread
What's up, everyone?
Haven't been on here too, too much lately due to school and what not. But trying to catch back up on stuff lately. So I'm making a thread for my car. Just try and document some progress and hopefully help some people out. Doubtful on the latter, though.
I list '2007' since I probably should have been boosted then. But during that summer, I ended up with a loss in compression in cylinder 2 (210 - 175 - 210 - 210). Maybe it was cylinder 3. I can't even remember at this point. So I decided to rip it apart and fix that minor issue before boosting. Most of my friends and I felt it was a bad headgasket since my car had a tendency to eat through coolant. So I re-did the headgasket and piston rings. After this, the engine was still down on compression (actually down to 150 at that point).
Ripped it apart again, and discovered a bent valve. We had poured water in the port and watched it trickle out through the valve seat. Sent it to the local machine shop to fix, and got it back. Compression was perfect; 210-215 across the board. Took it out for a few shakedown run and had no VTEC.
I knew I didn't assemble anything wrong, and even forcing the VTEC solenoid to engage still had nothing. So I had D-Rob (whoa... name drop!
) pull the rocker assembly apart, and we discovered that I had a pin missing from cylinder 4's exhaust rockers. WTF?!?
Ran back to the machine shop and hardly had to bitch them out, they had the pin! Why the hell didn't they just friggin' tell me they forgot it? Bastards. Put it back in and the engine ran great, but leaked a ****-ton of oil because I screwed up installation on several seals (oil pump seal, rear main seal, and cam seals).
Whoops.
So here is where I stand now. I have everything ready to install. Just need to find the time. But I'm just waiting for two weeks to get the car inspected so I can just worry about that later, if I even drive the car at that point.
Chassis: 1993 Honda Civic CX
- Tokico struts
- Eibach springs (400 fr / 800 rr)
- Walboro 255 lph high pressure fuel pump
- M&H 22x8x13 slicks
- 2275 lbs. with me in it, low fuel, no passenger seat
Engine: 1995 Honda B18C1 1.8L DOHC VTEC
- Head:
- Supertech valve springs and retainers
- ARP head studs
- Precision 880cc injectors
- Blox intake manifold
- BDL cam gears
- Block:(stock minus oil pan):
- 10.0:1 compression
- Moroso 'OEM replacement' oil pan
Transmission:
- OEM GSR hydraulic transmission
- Competition Clutch Stage 4 sprung, 6-puck clutch
- OEM flywheel
Turbocharger system:
- Garrett T3/T04E 60-trim .63a/r
- RLD-Fab ramhorn exhaust manifold
- RLD-Fab 3" downpipe
- Precision 350 hp intercooler
- 2.5" aluminum intercooler piping
- TiAL 38mm wastegate
- TiAL 50mm blow-off valve
- Thermal 3" exhaust
- Stealthmode Performance oil feed and return lines
- GM 3-bar MAP sensor
- Neptune
A few pics:
As it sat the past 3 years.

Some goodies arriving.



Some rebuilding during the summer of 2007.


Damn valve...

When I first purchased the car back in high school, it already had a bent front crossmember. Due to this, and how far the RLD-Fab manifold sat the turbo and downpipe out, I had fitment issues. The downpipe was being obstructed by the radiator. So my dad and I ended up beating the snot out of the rad support. Had to push it forward and down to make it work with the manifold and intercooler.


I know... I know... it's all pretty much on. Just leave it!

IC piping is welded up now.


Thanks for reading. I'll try and keep this updated with some dyno sheets and track times throughout the year.
Modified by Honda Bull at 10:09 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 10:51 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 10:52 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 4:32 PM 4/3/2008
Haven't been on here too, too much lately due to school and what not. But trying to catch back up on stuff lately. So I'm making a thread for my car. Just try and document some progress and hopefully help some people out. Doubtful on the latter, though.

I list '2007' since I probably should have been boosted then. But during that summer, I ended up with a loss in compression in cylinder 2 (210 - 175 - 210 - 210). Maybe it was cylinder 3. I can't even remember at this point. So I decided to rip it apart and fix that minor issue before boosting. Most of my friends and I felt it was a bad headgasket since my car had a tendency to eat through coolant. So I re-did the headgasket and piston rings. After this, the engine was still down on compression (actually down to 150 at that point).
Ripped it apart again, and discovered a bent valve. We had poured water in the port and watched it trickle out through the valve seat. Sent it to the local machine shop to fix, and got it back. Compression was perfect; 210-215 across the board. Took it out for a few shakedown run and had no VTEC.
I knew I didn't assemble anything wrong, and even forcing the VTEC solenoid to engage still had nothing. So I had D-Rob (whoa... name drop!
) pull the rocker assembly apart, and we discovered that I had a pin missing from cylinder 4's exhaust rockers. WTF?!? Ran back to the machine shop and hardly had to bitch them out, they had the pin! Why the hell didn't they just friggin' tell me they forgot it? Bastards. Put it back in and the engine ran great, but leaked a ****-ton of oil because I screwed up installation on several seals (oil pump seal, rear main seal, and cam seals).
Whoops. So here is where I stand now. I have everything ready to install. Just need to find the time. But I'm just waiting for two weeks to get the car inspected so I can just worry about that later, if I even drive the car at that point.
Chassis: 1993 Honda Civic CX
- Tokico struts
- Eibach springs (400 fr / 800 rr)
- Walboro 255 lph high pressure fuel pump
- M&H 22x8x13 slicks
- 2275 lbs. with me in it, low fuel, no passenger seat
Engine: 1995 Honda B18C1 1.8L DOHC VTEC
- Head:
- Supertech valve springs and retainers
- ARP head studs
- Precision 880cc injectors
- Blox intake manifold
- BDL cam gears
- Block:(stock minus oil pan):
- 10.0:1 compression
- Moroso 'OEM replacement' oil pan
Transmission:
- OEM GSR hydraulic transmission
- Competition Clutch Stage 4 sprung, 6-puck clutch
- OEM flywheel
Turbocharger system:
- Garrett T3/T04E 60-trim .63a/r
- RLD-Fab ramhorn exhaust manifold
- RLD-Fab 3" downpipe
- Precision 350 hp intercooler
- 2.5" aluminum intercooler piping
- TiAL 38mm wastegate
- TiAL 50mm blow-off valve
- Thermal 3" exhaust
- Stealthmode Performance oil feed and return lines
- GM 3-bar MAP sensor
- Neptune
A few pics:
As it sat the past 3 years.

Some goodies arriving.



Some rebuilding during the summer of 2007.


Damn valve...

When I first purchased the car back in high school, it already had a bent front crossmember. Due to this, and how far the RLD-Fab manifold sat the turbo and downpipe out, I had fitment issues. The downpipe was being obstructed by the radiator. So my dad and I ended up beating the snot out of the rad support. Had to push it forward and down to make it work with the manifold and intercooler.


I know... I know... it's all pretty much on. Just leave it!


IC piping is welded up now.


Thanks for reading. I'll try and keep this updated with some dyno sheets and track times throughout the year.

Modified by Honda Bull at 10:09 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 10:51 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 10:52 PM 3/23/2008
Modified by Honda Bull at 4:32 PM 4/3/2008
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93turbo16 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">About time Shaun. I think I will be around now for the install day!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good. Cuz you're welding my exhaust and doing the Neptune.
I'll atleast buy you Red Robin or something.
Good. Cuz you're welding my exhaust and doing the Neptune.

I'll atleast buy you Red Robin or something.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda Bull »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Good. Cuz you're welding my exhaust and doing the Neptune.
I'll atleast buy you Red Robin or something.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds good to me. And maybe one of these.
Good. Cuz you're welding my exhaust and doing the Neptune.

I'll atleast buy you Red Robin or something.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Sounds good to me. And maybe one of these.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teglove2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice setup...i will vouch for the rld, they are one of the few manifold makers i like on here. I miss my 60 trim...best street turbo ive ever had for the price.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah. I was always looking into a Neukin manifold, but saw that RLD had a complete kit for a decent price. So just had them make one for me.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmm96gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like a pretty solid setup.
And of course you'll have a great tune.
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Yes, indeed I will. John's the man.
Yeah. I was always looking into a Neukin manifold, but saw that RLD had a complete kit for a decent price. So just had them make one for me.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jmm96gsr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like a pretty solid setup.
And of course you'll have a great tune.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Yes, indeed I will. John's the man.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlAcKo0sI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DID I hear boosting this weekend</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes. Yes you did.
Inspected and emissions tested Friday, boosted Saturday. 
For all of the "weight-savings worry-warts" out there, I've weighed mostly everything in the setup now (minus the electronics). Once I take the other parts off this weekend, I'll weigh them as well and calculate up a total gross weight added to the vehicle for the install.
Garrett T3/T4 turbo, RLD ramhorn manifold, oil feed and return lines:
34 lbs.
Thermal 3" exhaust + 17" extension:
28 lbs.
26.75x6.25x3.5 intercooler:
10 lbs.
RLD 3" downpipe with flexpipe:
5.5 lbs.
TiAL BOV, 2.5" aluminum piping, couplers, clamps:
5 lbs.
TiAl 35mm WG and dumptube:
3.5 lbs.
TOTAL: 86 lbs.
Yes. Yes you did.
Inspected and emissions tested Friday, boosted Saturday. 
For all of the "weight-savings worry-warts" out there, I've weighed mostly everything in the setup now (minus the electronics). Once I take the other parts off this weekend, I'll weigh them as well and calculate up a total gross weight added to the vehicle for the install.
Garrett T3/T4 turbo, RLD ramhorn manifold, oil feed and return lines:
34 lbs.
Thermal 3" exhaust + 17" extension:
28 lbs.
26.75x6.25x3.5 intercooler:
10 lbs.
RLD 3" downpipe with flexpipe:
5.5 lbs.
TiAL BOV, 2.5" aluminum piping, couplers, clamps:
5 lbs.
TiAl 35mm WG and dumptube:
3.5 lbs.
TOTAL: 86 lbs.
Last edited by Honda Bull; Feb 4, 2011 at 08:43 AM.
Runs good for only having 15 minutes of work done to the map. lol
Fairly smooth driving. Just a bit rich at cold start, and it tries to die. I've gotten on it twice. It lights the **** out of 2nd and 3rd... and 3rd won't go past 6000 rpm due to the 12 lb. boost cut that Derek has set. Damn 10 lb. wastegate spring keeps going.
Fairly smooth driving. Just a bit rich at cold start, and it tries to die. I've gotten on it twice. It lights the **** out of 2nd and 3rd... and 3rd won't go past 6000 rpm due to the 12 lb. boost cut that Derek has set. Damn 10 lb. wastegate spring keeps going.
These were the parts pulled off...
APEX'i World Sport exhaust:
37 lbs.
GSR catalytic converter:
6 lbs.
GSR stock cast exhaust manifold:
24 lbs.
AEM short ram intake:
.5 lb.
TOTAL: 67.5 lbs.
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....
86 lbs [Added] - 67.5 lbs [Removed] = 18.5 lbs. total added upon turbocharger install.
Not that much when you consider how much power can be made.
APEX'i World Sport exhaust:
37 lbs.
GSR catalytic converter:
6 lbs.
GSR stock cast exhaust manifold:
24 lbs.
AEM short ram intake:
.5 lb.
TOTAL: 67.5 lbs.
....
....
....
86 lbs [Added] - 67.5 lbs [Removed] = 18.5 lbs. total added upon turbocharger install.
Not that much when you consider how much power can be made.
Last edited by Honda Bull; Feb 4, 2011 at 08:51 AM.

There's an updated engine bay pic.
Been to the track twice since I put it on.
Day 1 - On 10 lbs. The track I went to for this has a weird water box setup. For a FWD vehicle, you end up doing dry burnouts since you have to backup to the water, but FWDs can't back up far enough to get much water due to wooden walls being right behind the water box. So, I couldn't get a decent burnout going. And couldn't get much grip in 1st and 2nd.
13.0 @ 119.5 mph. Launching on anti-lag at 6800 rpm, spun... a lot.

12.5 @ 118.2 mph. 6000 rpm launch.
12.7 @ 118.5 mph. 5000 rpm launch (not sure what happened at the 60' on this run).
12.3 @ 118.7 mph. 5000 rpm launch. Bogging.
Day 2 - On 14 lbs and a slightly better prepped track. Managed better burnouts, but I must be doing something weird at the line. The 60's I was getting said 2.2, 2.3, 2.2, and 2.1. Which, I've cut 1.8 60s with the damn car on 155 whp, and these launches feel boat-loads better. So I'll figure that out next time hopefully.
12.5x @ 114 mph. Spun into 3rd on this one... no more full-throttle shift to 3rd.
That's all. Went for 5th at the end, before 4th was done I think. Probably never took 3rd out the whole way. So a bad trap speed.12.27 @ 122 mph. Hit rev limiter in 4th 30-40 feet before the end.
12.29 @ 123 mph. Had a friend raise my rev limit to 8800 so I could cross the line properly without hitting rev limit.
11.98 @ 123 mph. Bogged pretty badly at the launch.
Made 356 whp (14.5 psi) with a street tune by John at J-K-Tuning on Saturday at Innovative MotorWorks. Throwing a bigger throttle body on and getting it tuned in another week or so hopefully.
AND I NEED BIGGER SLICKS.

Modified by Honda Bull at 2:30 PM 6/30/2008

There's the dyno plot from 14.5 lbs. That was basically the street tune after leaning it out a point into the mid 11s. It based at 355ish and then went to the 360s.
It's now right around 365-370 on 15-15.5 lbs of boost.
Last time at the track....
11.80 @ 123.9 mph
11.95 @ 118.x mph (went for 5th at the end but had already crossed the line)
11.91 @ 125.0 mph
I'm hitting 4th gear rev limit like 20-30 feet before the line. Hence why I decided to try for 5th the one time. But that failed. lol
The slicks (22") definitely spin a good bit in the first two gears, but they aren't spinning enough to justify the high 11's at that trapspeed. I think I'm still just slipping the clutch out of the hole rather than just dumping it. Basically, I'm wasting .3-.4 on the 60 foot in the first 20 feet.

Modified by Honda Bull at 3:58 PM 8/26/2008
a taller tire will definitely get you throuh the traps anding 4th.....
Mand H makes a 23*8*13 ...... that extra inch and maybe 200 rpm higher rev limiter will help the car
Mand H makes a 23*8*13 ...... that extra inch and maybe 200 rpm higher rev limiter will help the car




