Okay Im a cheap dude so I have a feeling when the time comes I will bullshit on the Mahle pistons so I wanna know what you guys think are one of the best cams for a stock block H, meaning biggest I could go before the cams will want more compression..
I was thinking the old Skunk2 Stage 2s instead of the Pro 1s (I hate the Pro Series Line up cause I like near stock primary lobes), and I was also curious about the Crower Stage 3s because I see Skunked got away with those with a stock block and made 219whp. I will have a springs and retainers and will program my fuel cut-off to 8200rpms. I'm a former Bseries dude still learning about H's, so let me know some experienced opinions and why...........

 

i would just try the type s cams. what are you tunning with?

 

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I should of said except type S cams because I already know of bigger aftermarket cams that can make more power than those on a stock block. Look at Skunked with the Crower 3s he is making 219 whp and that's with a USDM block, mines will be JDM. I'm just trying to see if it gets better than that on a stock block, and what other options I have like the old skunk2 stage 2s or anything else.

 

pro1s

hands down. search user "vtecKidd" and check out the dyno

 

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hands down. search user "vtecKidd" and check out the dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks Im about to check now.

 

crower 3's don't idle like stock.

Pro 1's are ok.

 

skunk stage 2s are not for a stock block at all.... what are you tuning with?

 

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and why is this?

 

what kind of compression do skunk stage 2s need ? Pro1s ?

 

I could be getting them confused but i thought skunk told me not to use the stage 2's on a stock block because of insufficient piston to valve clearance.
I'm probably thinking of the Pro 2's. either way the OP said hes kicking around the idea of mahles.

If thats your plan get Pro 2's. I had just under 12.5 to 1 compression ratio with flat valves and the block and head decked, just enough to clean it up maybe .010 total. When it was being tuned on don's engine dyno it was making about 285/215 if i remeber right.

mahles/h22 crank/pro2's/hytech 4th gen header

 

no such thing as a best cam.

bigger is not always better
bigger is not always faster

 

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bigger is not always better
bigger is not always faster
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That's why I said opinions. I know it's like asking people whats better chocolate or vanilla which peoples answer will also be an opinion not a fact but in this game what I like to do with complicated things such as types of cams pistons and internals like that is, I take everybodies opinion and do an average. If 80 people tell me they like the chocolate and 2 say they like the vanilla I think I'd go with the chocolate, the same way if 20 people say they like a certain brand of cams and 2 people say to go with another brand of cams I might go with the majority, and what makes the opinion turn almost into a fact is the fact that those same 20 people may show dyno charts with those certain cams making 225 whp when the other 2 are showing dyno charts of the cams they mentioned making 198 whp, so in a way your write when you say there is no best cam but in certain applications you are kinda of wrong, there are cams that are just plain old better for certain applications than others in terms of making more power, and that all falls back to me saying the word "OPINIONS"

 

Rocket motors you can get custom cams for any app.

 

look for the highest lift and the lowest duration possible. type S are likely better than you think

 

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this is correct, i found out first hand. do not run stg.2's w/ stock pistons, there is not enough valve relief clearance and skunk knows this and will recomend to run them w/ aftermarket pistons.

crazy eg9, type s cams are definately the way to go especially if this is a street driven motor. crower 3's will make more peak power, but you will not benifit from it. type s cams will allow you to keep your midrange and still make at least 5whp peak over stock.

 

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this is correct, i found out first hand. do not run stg.2's w/ stock pistons, there is not enough valve relief clearance and skunk knows this and will recomend to run them w/ aftermarket pistons.

crazy eg9, type s cams are definately the way to go especially if this is a street driven motor. crower 3's will make more peak power, but you will not benifit from it. type s cams will allow you to keep your midrange and still make at least 5whp peak over stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So what are you saying he was just lucky on some winning the lottery type ****. Or he just had a tuner with some magic hands? That curve to me is almost perfect except for the minor dip in torque at 6000 which is something I can deal with. It doesn't fall of or anything plus he has good low low and midrange.

member "skunked"
Stock USDM H22 longblock (10:2:1)
crower stage 3 cams
six sigma header
68mm Holley
Tuned with a fields controller


Oh and I forgot to mention I'm more concerned about peak power than midrange because I have a b16 tranny and when I'm going down that 1/4 mile with that tranny my motor will be in peak more than midrange, don't get me wrong I love midrange too though.


Modified by CRAZY-EG9 at 10:00 AM 3/12/2008

 

Anymore opinions or dyno's on the Crower 3s or Pro 1s.

 

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So what are you saying he was just lucky on some winning the lottery type ****. Or he just had a tuner with some magic hands? That curve to me is almost perfect except for the minor dip in torque at 6000 which is something I can deal with. It doesn't fall of or anything plus he has good low low and midrange.

member "skunked"
Stock USDM H22 longblock (10:2:1)
crower stage 3 cams
six sigma header
68mm Holley
Tuned with a fields controller


Oh and I forgot to mention I'm more concerned about peak power than midrange because I have a b16 tranny and when I'm going down that 1/4 mile with that tranny my motor will be in peak more than midrange, don't get me wrong I love midrange too though.


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That was tuned with a Fields SFC on a B series chipped P28 so the dip could easily be fixed with some tweaking. My motor never drops below 6800 in a race so it's never been an issue.

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this is correct, i found out first hand. do not run stg.2's w/ stock pistons, there is not enough valve relief clearance and skunk knows this and will recomend to run them w/ aftermarket pistons.
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I find this a little odd just because I know some that have ran them with stock H22 pistons w/out issue. I wonder if you can get away with it if your not milled? I know with type S it's an issue obviously.....

 

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If you had bothered to search around some before making your thread, you would have found my dynos.

 

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That was tuned with a Fields SFC on a B series chipped P28 so the dip could easily be fixed with some tweaking. My motor never drops below 6800 in a race so it's never been an issue.

I find this a little odd just because I know some that have ran them with stock H22 pistons w/out issue. I wonder if you can get away with it if your not milled? I know with type S it's an issue obviously.....

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have them pull the valves and check them. i didnt even know mine were bent, the only reason i pulled the head was because i started running a couple tenths slower at the track and knew something was wrong. all the exhaust valves were slightly bent. car still idled and ran fine, except for et's at the track. the skunk stg2's are borderline as far as valve clearance goes. the exhaust valves will just barely kiss the reliefs enough to slightly bend them. when this happens they will make their own room in the reliefs of the piston but the damage will already be done. and no my head was never milled or even resurfaced and this was with a stock headgasket.

 

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this is correct, i found out first hand. do not run stg.2's w/ stock pistons, there is not enough valve relief clearance and skunk knows this and will recomend to run them w/ aftermarket pistons.

crazy eg9, type s cams are definately the way to go especially if this is a street driven motor. crower 3's will make more peak power, but you will not benifit from it. type s cams will allow you to keep your midrange and still make at least 5whp peak over stock. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Skunk told me be careful especially with type s pistons. i ended up using neither the Stg 2's or the type s pistons.

Skunked's dyno if i remember right is open header(correct me if im wrong) and its a quality peice too. If you choose something lesser quality expect lesser results.

 

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Skunk told me be careful especially with type s pistons. i ended up using neither the Stg 2's or the type s pistons.

Skunked's dyno if i remember right is open header(correct me if im wrong) and its a quality peice too. If you choose something lesser quality expect lesser results.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well the Camp1320 header is lesser quality but does give decent results. That's what I'm going with.

 

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have them pull the valves and check them. i didnt even know mine were bent, the only reason i pulled the head was because i started running a couple tenths slower at the track and knew something was wrong. all the exhaust valves were slightly bent. car still idled and ran fine, except for et's at the track. the skunk stg2's are borderline as far as valve clearance goes. the exhaust valves will just barely kiss the reliefs enough to slightly bend them. when this happens they will make their own room in the reliefs of the piston but the damage will already be done. and no my head was never milled or even resurfaced and this was with a stock headgasket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not that I can remember. I think it's really close, maybe too close.




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Skunk told me be careful especially with type s pistons. i ended up using neither the Stg 2's or the type s pistons.
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No doubt the Type S reliefs are not deep enough, I know this for a fact.

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Skunked's dyno if i remember right is open header(correct me if im wrong) and its a quality peice too. If you choose something lesser quality expect lesser results.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I actually only picked up 5whp with my SSR, however it's a 2.5L header that I'm not taking full advantage of yet. Before this header I had a OBX with 4' of 2.25" straight pipe (215/159 SAE).

 

im running stage 2 skunk cams on stock usdm piston with a .030 milled head

i have started the car and hit vtec in it and i have not heard the piston hit a valve
i did clay the car prior to the cams

 

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Well the Camp1320 header is lesser quality but does give decent results. That's what I'm going with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well i posted to say he ran it open header, you will obviously wont make as much power, especially with that camp basura.