Should I make a project out of this?
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Should I make a project out of this?
I know it's a dumb question, asking if a Honda should be a project.
But, it's gonna be a LOT of damn work.
I've got a 1987 Honda Civic HB. It's not a Si version.
Damn thing is bone-stock. [take out being lowered and painted factory rims.]
I have a d16a1 motor in my garage and wiring harness.
not much, but I'm poor.
My intentions are to make it a sleeper. Eventually have a B-series put in.
for now, just "make it an Si" and put this D-series in it.
Some body work needs to be done.
Dumbass i bought it from hit a tree or something and the bumper is pushed up.
Broken turn signal light, blah blah blah. Fixable.
Pics will be up soon.
If you have any of these parts:
d16a1 trans
ecu
drive axels
front and rear brakes from integra
mounts for trans/motor
fuel pump/tank/lines from Si model
or any other parts that could be useful, let me know.
I want any and all input for what and how I should go about fixing this up.
Or, if I should for that matter.
Cheers,
But, it's gonna be a LOT of damn work.
I've got a 1987 Honda Civic HB. It's not a Si version.
Damn thing is bone-stock. [take out being lowered and painted factory rims.]
I have a d16a1 motor in my garage and wiring harness.
not much, but I'm poor.
My intentions are to make it a sleeper. Eventually have a B-series put in.
for now, just "make it an Si" and put this D-series in it.
Some body work needs to be done.
Dumbass i bought it from hit a tree or something and the bumper is pushed up.
Broken turn signal light, blah blah blah. Fixable.
Pics will be up soon.
If you have any of these parts:
d16a1 trans
ecu
drive axels
front and rear brakes from integra
mounts for trans/motor
fuel pump/tank/lines from Si model
or any other parts that could be useful, let me know.
I want any and all input for what and how I should go about fixing this up.
Or, if I should for that matter.
Cheers,
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Re: Should I make a project out of this? (zack_pejic)
The pictures are not coming through right now.
A couple of questions come to mind:
How much rust can you see? Because if you can see a little rust, there is bound to be a lot of rust that will need to be treated.
How patient are you? Finding parts for your car in Tenn will not be as simple as finding parts in California where there are a ton of these old cars in our pick n' pull junkyards.
As you probably know by now, the pre-1988 Hondas are very different from the later models and few parts are interchangeable.
With all that said, the old hatchie will swallow a B or K series. With the right bits and pieces be one hell of a strong runner. But again, in your area sourcing parts may be tougher than for something like a Fox bodied Mustang which will give you a ton of bang for your buck.
If you are on a budget, stick with the D16A1 and some old school hot-rod tricks to make that a strong runner.
Scott
Go to http://www.redpepperracing.com for the best web site for the 84-87 Civic and CRX
Modified by cbstd at 9:13 PM 3/4/2008
A couple of questions come to mind:
How much rust can you see? Because if you can see a little rust, there is bound to be a lot of rust that will need to be treated.
How patient are you? Finding parts for your car in Tenn will not be as simple as finding parts in California where there are a ton of these old cars in our pick n' pull junkyards.
As you probably know by now, the pre-1988 Hondas are very different from the later models and few parts are interchangeable.
With all that said, the old hatchie will swallow a B or K series. With the right bits and pieces be one hell of a strong runner. But again, in your area sourcing parts may be tougher than for something like a Fox bodied Mustang which will give you a ton of bang for your buck.
If you are on a budget, stick with the D16A1 and some old school hot-rod tricks to make that a strong runner.
Scott
Go to http://www.redpepperracing.com for the best web site for the 84-87 Civic and CRX
Modified by cbstd at 9:13 PM 3/4/2008
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Re: Should I make a project out of this? (cbstd)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pictures are not coming through right now.
A couple of questions come to mind:
How much rust can you see? Because if you can see a little rust, there is bound to be a lot of rust that will need to be treated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There isn't ANY rust. it's been really kept up.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How patient are you? Finding parts for your car in Tenn will not be as simple as finding parts in California where there are a ton of these old cars in our pick n' pull junkyards.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We also have Pull-A-Part. I've found all the parts for the swap there, including the fuel pump and tanks/lines if it is absolutely needed that I have them.
Atleast five 86-89 Integras are there. and the ECU i have found on craigslist for $20.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
As you probably know by now, the pre-1988 Hondas are very different from the later models and few parts are interchangeable.
With all that said, the old hatchie will swallow a B or K series. With the right bits and pieces be one hell of a strong runner. But again, in your area sourcing parts may be tougher than for something like a Fox bodied Mustang which will give you a ton of bang for your buck.
If you are on a budget, stick with the D16A1 and some old school hot-rod tricks to make that a strong runner.
Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I've been looking through my manual for the Generation of my civic, and the generations of the 88-91 and there are almost no interchangeable parts.
I do have a very low budget, whichs sucks, but what can ya do?
the d-series is my only bet at the moment, but I will eventually have a B-series in it. I hope...
But I have thought about it and I'm going to pursue this. It's been awesome going through parts and books, and having a sleeper like this in TN, all the weak *** civics you mostly see around here are driven by little punk rich kids, that like looks. What I like to call "ricer trash". I'm a HEART member for life. "Honda Enthusiasts Against Ricer Trash.
oh by the way, leave me cool things I can possibly do with this?
Thanks,
Zack
A couple of questions come to mind:
How much rust can you see? Because if you can see a little rust, there is bound to be a lot of rust that will need to be treated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There isn't ANY rust. it's been really kept up.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How patient are you? Finding parts for your car in Tenn will not be as simple as finding parts in California where there are a ton of these old cars in our pick n' pull junkyards.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We also have Pull-A-Part. I've found all the parts for the swap there, including the fuel pump and tanks/lines if it is absolutely needed that I have them.
Atleast five 86-89 Integras are there. and the ECU i have found on craigslist for $20.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbstd »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
As you probably know by now, the pre-1988 Hondas are very different from the later models and few parts are interchangeable.
With all that said, the old hatchie will swallow a B or K series. With the right bits and pieces be one hell of a strong runner. But again, in your area sourcing parts may be tougher than for something like a Fox bodied Mustang which will give you a ton of bang for your buck.
If you are on a budget, stick with the D16A1 and some old school hot-rod tricks to make that a strong runner.
Scott</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I've been looking through my manual for the Generation of my civic, and the generations of the 88-91 and there are almost no interchangeable parts.
I do have a very low budget, whichs sucks, but what can ya do?
the d-series is my only bet at the moment, but I will eventually have a B-series in it. I hope...
But I have thought about it and I'm going to pursue this. It's been awesome going through parts and books, and having a sleeper like this in TN, all the weak *** civics you mostly see around here are driven by little punk rich kids, that like looks. What I like to call "ricer trash". I'm a HEART member for life. "Honda Enthusiasts Against Ricer Trash.
oh by the way, leave me cool things I can possibly do with this?
Thanks,
Zack
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Re: Should I make a project out of this? (zack_pejic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zack_pejic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
oh by the way, leave me cool things I can possibly do with this?
Thanks,
Zack </TD></TR></TABLE>
The 86-87 Integra's Brown top D16A1 is slightly different from the 88-89 Integra's black top D16A1. the greatest difference is the vacuum advance distributor on the brown top. Make sure you ECU matches your engine.
You will need to graft a pressurized fuel system into your civic, whihc inlcudes the fuel tank, pump and fuel lines.
Easy power can be found by milling the head for more compression, P&P is always a good idea also. Stick injectors with slightly more fuel pressure is all you will need. Put the largest TB you can find on it as well.
If you have a brown top D16A1, lighter springs in the guts of the distributor is a big performance boost.
Again, go to http://www.redpepperracing.com for more info specific for your car.
Scott
oh by the way, leave me cool things I can possibly do with this?
Thanks,
Zack
</TD></TR></TABLE>The 86-87 Integra's Brown top D16A1 is slightly different from the 88-89 Integra's black top D16A1. the greatest difference is the vacuum advance distributor on the brown top. Make sure you ECU matches your engine.
You will need to graft a pressurized fuel system into your civic, whihc inlcudes the fuel tank, pump and fuel lines.
Easy power can be found by milling the head for more compression, P&P is always a good idea also. Stick injectors with slightly more fuel pressure is all you will need. Put the largest TB you can find on it as well.
If you have a brown top D16A1, lighter springs in the guts of the distributor is a big performance boost.
Again, go to http://www.redpepperracing.com for more info specific for your car.
Scott
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Re: Should I make a project out of this? (cbstd)
I have the brown top, I call it wanna-be ZC. but, yeah, it's going to ben a fun project. it will take a lot longer than most people on honda tech, because most seem to have $$$. But yeah. I'll post later with updates of what's going to happen, how, blah blah blah.
Cheers,
Zack
Cheers,
Zack
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thanks for fixing those pics. (:
thanks for fixing those pics. (:
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I think you're going the right direction with the brown top. It's a cheap, easy, cheap....did I mention cheap....upgrade. It's been done a million times and there's a great writeup on redpepper. If you have the motor mounts from the D16a1, then you have all the mounts you need between those and the Civic. You can either notch one mount (see the write up) or notch the timing cover and that's about all the fabrication you'll need.
If you listen to people telling you that it's easy or cheap to put in a B series, immediately punch them in the nose. When they get up, do it again. I'm making the swap in my 87 CRX-si racecar and I've already got more money into swap parts (over $4k) than the car originally cost me as a race ready ITA car. I'm still figuring out parts that I still need and don't have.
I'm really thinking I should have sold the car last fall to a ready buyer and just gone with something else. It's a ton of work to do a good B series swap.
jack
If you listen to people telling you that it's easy or cheap to put in a B series, immediately punch them in the nose. When they get up, do it again. I'm making the swap in my 87 CRX-si racecar and I've already got more money into swap parts (over $4k) than the car originally cost me as a race ready ITA car. I'm still figuring out parts that I still need and don't have.
I'm really thinking I should have sold the car last fall to a ready buyer and just gone with something else. It's a ton of work to do a good B series swap.
jack
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