So I drove my roommate's 2008 SI tonight and noticed 2 major differences from my 2007 SI in the feel of the car. The differences I am referring to were in the clutch and the transmission. The clutch in the 08 seems to have absolutely no resistance to it at all. I slammed it too the floor when I first got in because of the amount of resistance I am used to in my car.

The transmission in the 08 shifted much better than that in my 07. It was very smooth with no noticeable notchiness or 3rd gear grind. My roommate did say that he has experienced the 3rd gear grind before but it was rare. When shifting in my 07 SI, it can be notchy at times, and I experience the 3rd gear grind more often. It was much easier to fly through the gears in my roommate's SI than mine.

Did Honda just fix all the issues with the 06/07 for the 08? Why would the resistance on the clutch be significantly less on the 08? Could I adjust my clutch to perform similarly? Has anyone else had a similar experience? These are all questions that are running through my head on this situation. Any input would be appreciated.

Also, I wonder if this could help in getting my transmission and its "notchiness" fixed and or replaced. I take my car and my roommate's car in and have the tech drive both. The difference in feel between the two would make it near impossible for them to deny that there is an issue with my transmission.

Now...on with the input!

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2235812

2 '08's chiming in so far w/ that...

i actually need to go drive one to see for myself. this si was notchy going into 3rd from the get-go, and so was the other '07 i essentially 'lemoned', so i know i'll be able to tell if there is a difference.

 

if you read old facts the 06/07 were using bad/old mtf and now are using the brand new ones they created thats the reason why 3rd gear was so notchy i changed mine and it helped quite a bit.. the differences arent much.. i rather have resistance on my clutch because if i have less resistance it will be easier to ride that clutch. and the shifting is like butter cus its fresh from the factory what would you expect?

 

heres the answer.

his car is newer than yours.

 

yeah im gonna go with this guy ^^^ i've driven 06, 07, 08 they all seem the same

 

thanks^^^

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i-VTEC_DOHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">his car is newer than yours.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No **** sherlock. I know his car is newer than mine. I took that into account before posting. The difference was substantial enough to where it couldn't be just because his car is newer than mine. My shifting has been notchy since I bought the car. There was absolutely no notchiness in the 08's shifting even after 7000 miles. Also, my clutch has never had as little resistance as in the 08. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I don't think a clutch will develop more resistance over time (at least I have never experienced that).

 

I've never driven the '08 so my opinion is obviously just speculation.

I drive a '07 Si and I highly doubt I would feel differences in an '08 simply because it's a year newer than mine. I've only had my car for 8 months and I still consider it "new".

 

I took a couple test drives in the dealer's '06 Si before I bought my '08. There is a little less notchiness in my '08, but it's still there.

As far as your clutch goes, it sounds like you ruined yours already.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2008fijibluesi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As far as your clutch goes, it sounds like you ruined yours already. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I highly doubt it. As far as I can tell, the feel of the clutch has not changed in the 16 months that I have had the car. Also, if the clutch were ruined, shouldn't there be other symptoms that I would be complaining about?

 

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I highly doubt it. As far as I can tell, the feel of the clutch has not changed in the 16 months that I have had the car. Also, if the clutch were ruined, shouldn't there be other symptoms that I would be complaining about?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know. It's not my car. The resistance, to me, sounds like clutch wear.

 

a clutch's pressure plate dynamics (finger geometry, etc) won't change if the disc is worn, so as far as 'resistance' showing due to wear, i don't buy that. the only thing that changes is engagment point (sometimes) until at full pedal release it won't firmly hold.

to the OP, the only thing you can do with something that can't be quantified like this, over the 'net, is to go drive another gen car like yours and compare notes.

 

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to the OP, the only thing you can do with something that can't be quantified like this, over the 'net, is to go drive another gen car like yours and compare notes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chiggin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I drove my roommate's 2008 SI tonight and noticed 2 major differences from my 2007 SI in the feel of the car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i mean't 07 si vs his 07 si, not vs his friend's 08, you thilly gooth.

 

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that's me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by builthatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a clutch's pressure plate dynamics (finger geometry, etc) won't change if the disc is worn, so as far as 'resistance' showing due to wear, i don't buy that. the only thing that changes is engagment point (sometimes) until at full pedal release it won't firmly hold.

to the OP, the only thing you can do with something that can't be quantified like this, over the 'net, is to go drive another gen car like yours and compare notes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

IDK...my brother owns a bunch of GM trucks for his landscaping business. The resistance of the clutch pedal on the '75 Sierra mason dump was pretty strong, and became apparent that it needed a new clutch, when the engagement point had changed, and it wouldn't always hold (like you said). We put a new clutch in it, and when I got in the truck to take it for a test drive, I nearly put my foot through the floor, because there was no more resistance. I don't know much about clutches. I can remove, or install one, but it pretty much ends there.That being said, I don't know what esle would explain the difference in resistance, other than clutch wear.

 

that is probably a difference between cable actuated clutch vs. a hydraulic one (like ours), with a master and slave cyl assisting in a major way. also, the geometry with the PP fingers of the clutch you replaced vs. the one you put in was probably different, too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by builthatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that is probably a difference between cable actuated clutch vs. a hydraulic one (like ours), with a master and slave cyl assisting in a major way. also, the geometry with the PP fingers of the clutch you replaced vs. the one you put in was probably different, too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn it took the whole thread for someone to mention the hydraulics. Chances are his lines had a minute amount of air in them, making the clutch pedal softer. I recently put a new clutch in my RSX and the pedal is now severely softer, I bled it a lot and it got a little better, but needs more bleeding to get it back up to the stiffness that I like. It's useable for now though. It just depends on the hydraulic pressure.

 

Hydraulics....I should have known that. Any idea where the bleed valve for the clutch's cyl would be on the 08 civic? (just something I would like to know)

 

Ok, Chiggin I have to agree with you. I own a 06 and my Dad just bought an 08. My clutch pedal will wear your foot out. To me it feels like I have an aftermarket clutch in my 06. Lots of resistance. And the 08 basicly falls to the floor. Note also that I have changed to the new MTF as well.




Modified by 06BlackSi #45 at 3:39 PM 3/5/2008

 

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No **** sherlock. I know his car is newer than mine. I took that into account before posting. The difference was substantial enough to where it couldn't be just because his car is newer than mine. My shifting has been notchy since I bought the car. There was absolutely no notchiness in the 08's shifting even after 7000 miles. Also, my clutch has never had as little resistance as in the 08. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I don't think a clutch will develop more resistance over time (at least I have never experienced that).</TD></TR></TABLE>
well sorry.. ****. maybe if u said that in ur first post i wouldnt have made that suggestion *******.

 

I have an '08 Si with ~1100 miles and the tranny is fairly notchy in 2nd from time to time, but not 3rd.

 

My old 07 FA5 Trans feels the same as my 08 FG2 honda didnt fix anything.

 

i got an '08 with 12 miles on it (test driven to death?)

I had to replace the "better mtf" AND the sob is notchy as hell. I'm not a weak guy, but i feel sorry for 150-pounders who like to drive their cars in 6th gear. try not to blow a rotar cuff.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by i-VTEC_DOHC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well sorry.. ****. maybe if u said that in ur first post i wouldnt have made that suggestion *******. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I wasn't trying to be an ******* at all. It's just that your post did nothing but state a completely obvious fact. I thought that it would be assumed by everyone that I knew his car was newer than mine. I guess I could have been a little more polite and said "thank you captain obvious".