This has been on my mind for sometime now and it really does bug me. No sense in flooding the FS/WTB thread, so lets post our thoughts here.

These are just my personal thoughts, so please feel free to post your own opinions. THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLAME OR ARGUE, LETS BE MATURE ABOUT THIS.

Alot of the parts we deal with are rare and can definately fetch a pretty penny. Lately I have seen people buying stuff with the soul intention of reselling and making money on their own community they are apart of. Whats wrong with this picture?

Nothing bugs me more than seeing something being sold with the "OBO" or "MAKE OFFER". To me I see such greed in this. What this leads to is bidding wars usually between members of the R community. It causes drama that dosn't need to exist. Like I always say, if your selling something, you know what you want for it. If you want a bidding war go on ebay. During the last few months, me and some ITR members have experimented with sellers and their "MAKE OFFER". What we did was PM the seller with the asking price about 5 min apart. Each time we messaged them, we got different prices. The price even went up as much as 50 dollars with every inquiry! Greed, and lies...

I don't know how many times I have Pm'ed a member selling an item, and what do you know, another ITR member which I'm usually good friends with has the high bid. I have two choices, I can either outbid him if I want it bad enough, or be curteous enough to back off and not inflate the price anymore. I know it sounds hard to do when you really want something but I just think its the good thing to do. I would even go as far as pming the high bidder and explaining the situation to work something out.

How can we fix some of these problems?

- If your selling something, post an asking price. No more OBO or MAKE OFFER.
- If your interested in something being sold, post in the thread something along those lines, then PM them. That makes it known the the public that you have "First dibs" etc. The time on posts does not lie.
- Don't buy something for the soul intention of reselling it. I know its hard to resist.
- Just because you can sell something for triple the going rate, dosn't mean you have to.

I know there are some of you out there saying "If I can make money, then thats what I'm going to do". Well if thats your thought process your obviously missing the point here.

We have alot of good members with alot of talents, and connections here. If we all contribute, what a closer community this would be.

 

It's called CAPITALISM

It's also a free world -- people can do whatever they wish.

You're suggesting a code of conduct for H-T members selling stuff?

 

I am not suggesting a code of conduct for H-T sellers at all. You can do whatever you want. I know what I will do.

 

I just think if your gonna have a bidding war, then tell everyone, I will easily back out. I dont need to spend 13000 dollars on an itr trunk mat, when some kid can. I dont need it that bad.

 

bandwagoners > me

 

Man you need a new job. You have way too much time on your hands to get worked up over little things.

 

We appreciate your good intentions, but you are going to solve nothing. Watch and see, this i assure you.

There are no rules for selling established here, and nobody has the power to modererate what takes place. (With regards to bidding in specific, i understand there are forum rules and rules for our sticky. Wanted to clear that up)

I agree that if users want top dollar they should take advertise on ebay, but then again if i wanted top dollar for some rare items i have obtained over the years, i too would start by advertising here simply bc those who are most interested in the items will find them here before the will ebay.. When it boils down to it there is nothing wrong with that.

I agree the price jacking has gotten out of hand though. This has more to do with the individual users than it does our community.

Our community IS NOT the same as it once was, nor WILL IT ever be again. Perfect example was everyone's supposed reaction to the issue with EXPO rooms. I personally helped ensure that EXPO would happen just to turn around and learn that people are talking behind my back discussing my honesty with regards to a waiting list that started out of my control.

The Integra Type R has become affordable by many who are significantly younger than what the age group that could afford this car once used to be. The age difference has definitely taken a toll on who is present, and who isn't.

I believe the vast majority would agree that this community revolves around the people, friends and memories made at what we all plan to attend every single year....the ITR EXPO. It says a thing or two when the only current organizers who even own a Type R anymore is Mike and Myself.

Many of you who think you own these boards because you frequent here everyday and have a large post count need to come out to EXPO and learn a thing or two.

Since the OP opened this can of worms, i'd like to personally get a couple things off my chest. Please read carefully:

1) Bling doesn't make you popular, a better member, or an experienced faster driver.

2) Just bc you have a higher post count than the next person doesn't make you superior.

3) A mugen wing won't get you pu$$y, it also doesn't ensure that your highway roll on will keep you from wrecking your car.

4) Coming out to EXPO will help your online experience improve and ensure you understand what this community is focused around.

5) Street racing is for YouTubers, take that **** somwhere esle.

6) Jon D sucks, don't pay any attention to anything he says. However, he doesn't have a plan to room all his homies while putting everyone else out this June. Get over it.

7) Noobs suck, but we were all there once. Please welcome everyone into this forum and give them a shot.

8) Anyone doubting whether or not buying anything from Marc Tran username BlueR should be shot. He is owed more recognition on this forum than just about anyone.

9) Don't act e-tuff. Wanna verbally bash each other, take that ish to PM please. It just clutters our posts. Come out to EXPO, find each other, leave the grounds and go beat on one another if you really need to get physical. (note sarcasm)

10) I really have enjoyed getting to know many of you guys, and appreciate some life long friendships that i know will continue no matter if i own a hype-R or not.

I suppose i could continue to keep rolling, but just don't feel like it. With all that being said, get your a$$es out to E8 and put some usernames to faces and make some new friends.

I have said it before and i'll say it again, EXPO IS THE SINGLE BEST EVENT ANY HONDA ENTHUSIAST COULD ATTEND PERIOD!

I did not edit this for grammatical mistakes, so please excuse them if you find them.




Modified by Jon D at 9:28 PM 2/12/2008

 

what jon said

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doostur &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

- If your selling something, post an asking price. No more OBO. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've always regarded OBO as an invitation to offer less than the asking price, but I guess it could work both ways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R.Kelley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what jon said </TD></TR></TABLE>

x2. That has to be the best post I've ever seen on H-T


I can appriciate what Doostur is saying and I'm enlightened by his motives. If the seller isn't being honest about the "actual" bid and using that against a potential buyer, well; that's some dirtbag **** . However, if someone is selling say, oh I dunno; how about an ITR trunkmat for $1200 and someone buys it, well, that's their business. Who are we to keep the prices "reduced" for members. In the end, business is business 'cause no one rides for free.

 

You don't know what the ITR community is even about if you haven't been to an Expo, that is all...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JjuuN R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't know what the ITR community is even about if you haven't been to an Expo, that is all...</TD></TR></TABLE>
sooo true, i didnt know what it was all about till then, me and my buddy went to E6 and knew no one...and we were welcomed right it

 

Oh damn. I just made my rebuttal in the BS thread.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R.Kelley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what jon said </TD></TR></TABLE>
x3

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kenso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I've always regarded OBO as an invitation to offer less than the asking price, but I guess it could work both ways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my thoughts exactly. i always thought people that put "OBO" were stupid b/c they were inviting people to offer less. then again, i've put "OBO" on my listings, lol. anyhow, $$$ is always a sticky subject, isn't it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by walker111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just think if your gonna have a bidding war, then tell everyone, I will easily back out. I dont need to spend 13000 dollars on an itr trunk mat, when some kid can. I dont need it that bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

*****, I understand that you mean well.

IMO, I think it is ridiculous to expect some one to sell something for cheap to another member that they do not know. If it is somebody that I have met personally or have a relationship on the boards with then that would be different.

$1200 for a trunk mat is just insane. IMO if somebody paid that, then they are just stupid or just do not value money.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JjuuN R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't know what the ITR community is even about if you haven't been to an Expo, that is all...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Since we're having confession here ....

well, I haven't been to an Expo yet, but I've done everything in my power to maintain the ITR community here in Southern Ontario, Canada ... My home. I've only had my ITR for 2 years now, yet in that short time, I have single handedly organized and hosted the Toronto Type R owners meet 2 years running. I researched locations, planned driving routes, booked the events at the resort, arranged for catering, pulled in some serious personal favors to get parking blocked off for our event, talked to authorities, and tried my best to keep the event as safe as possible and away from harms reach. Not to mention that I had to pay for the entire event IN ADVANCE, with my own money before people even notified me of their attendance, before I even knew numbers, or knew what the weather was going to be like. Both years i have been out of pocket hundreds of dollars just to keep the cost down for everyone so more owners can attend.

What I got in return for my efforts was a bunch of amazing new friends. This car generally pulls together the best kind of people. People who who look out for each other and keep the community alive. That's why I own this car. I could have something faster for less money, but the friends I have made through my short 2 years of ownership is what keeps the ITR in the garage, and my wallet empty from buying parts.

I may not have attended Expo yet, and this year is looking like a 50/50 split, but I will continue to try my hardest to keep the ITR spirit alive in my little part of the world.

It's a shame that other ITR owners don't share this kind of enthusiasm. Things definitely have changed.

 

I agree with Doostur. Im sure he doesnt mean to start a revolution , but it is absurd when people ask astronimical prices for certain items.

Then again, what can you do. If something is in high demand, it will be sold in time. ie: NIB mugen gen 2 spoiler can and will sell for 2k$. Too many rich kids that dont grasp the concept of a hard earned dollar, etc...

Supply and demand, although it sucks when it impacts the itr community. Oh well,

Escobar
ps who wants a free NIB C's DPS?j/k

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jomama &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

my thoughts exactly. i always thought people that put "OBO" were stupid b/c they were inviting people to offer less. then again, i've put "OBO" on my listings, lol. anyhow, $$$ is always a sticky subject, isn't it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I put OBO when I don't know what the market price on a part is, it is really hard to find the market price on here because people usually edit their threads to say SOLD after the part is sold. When I sell parts edit my post to say who I sold it to and more how much so future sellers can find the market price.

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I've always regarded OBO as an invitation to offer less than the asking price, but I guess it could work both ways.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, I've never seen it used the other way around. Just putting Best Offer on the other hand means just that.

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This is one of many reasons why people think us ITR owners are elitist ******.

 

we should use ONO instead I believe the term is used in the UK.

"or nearest offer"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spids5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

This is one of many reasons why people think us ITR owners are elitist ******. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed.


98 ITR, good example

 

I think it is fair to say many of you seem to have an elitist attitude about yourselves. Simply owning the best of the best a car manufacturer has to offer(short of an NSX), doesn't necessarily mean its a totally different community. I have met many an R owners over the years and can see each one is different in their own way(like any individual). Although, they are equally as kind hearted, helpful and intelligent people as some of the owners of EF's, EG's, EK's that I've met and still do associate with. I think money plays a big factor in allowing some of these owners with awesome taste in parts is the only thing holding them back from having an R, face it, its an expensive initial cost to own a car like ours.
Let me make it clear though, not ALL R owners I've met are like this, having an R and participating in group events doesn't automatically make you a good person nor should it set you higher on the totem pole.
Im gonna park my car so hard at Eibach this year

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.OB*GYN_Rhett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Let me make it clear though, not ALL R owners I've met are like this, having an R and participating in group events doesn't automatically make you a good person nor should it set you higher on the totem pole.
Im gonna park my car so hard at Eibach this year </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. Just because you have an R and dont track it dosn't mean you should be looked down upon. I bust on the guys who go to car shows etc, mainly its just joking around. I don't think anything less of them. Seems like if you don't go with the flow here your gonna get flamed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98 ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Since we're having confession here ....

well, I haven't been to an Expo yet, but I've done everything in my power to maintain the ITR community here in Southern Ontario, Canada ... My home. I've only had my ITR for 2 years now, yet in that short time, I have single handedly organized and hosted the Toronto Type R owners meet 2 years running. I researched locations, planned driving routes, booked the events at the resort, arranged for catering, pulled in some serious personal favors to get parking blocked off for our event, talked to authorities, and tried my best to keep the event as safe as possible and away from harms reach. Not to mention that I had to pay for the entire event IN ADVANCE, with my own money before people even notified me of their attendance, before I even knew numbers, or knew what the weather was going to be like. Both years i have been out of pocket hundreds of dollars just to keep the cost down for everyone so more owners can attend.

What I got in return for my efforts was a bunch of amazing new friends. This car generally pulls together the best kind of people. People who who look out for each other and keep the community alive. That's why I own this car. I could have something faster for less money, but the friends I have made through my short 2 years of ownership is what keeps the ITR in the garage, and my wallet empty from buying parts.

I may not have attended Expo yet, and this year is looking like a 50/50 split, but I will continue to try my hardest to keep the ITR spirit alive in my little part of the world.

It's a shame that other ITR owners don't share this kind of enthusiasm. Things definitely have changed.

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That's in the same ballpark, you know what it's like to have a lot of your friends who share the same interest pulled together for a great time, that's not expo, but very expo like. Dookster, or whatever your name is you have no clue, so please stfu... there's no way to know what this community is really like from a expletiveing keyboard, GOT IT? So you can't agree with jack ****. Plus what he says doesn't even make expletiveing sense...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JjuuN R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't know what the ITR community is even about if you haven't been to an Expo, that is all...</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spids5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is one of many reasons why people think us ITR owners are elitist ******.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Uhhh, what? There's nothing for ITR owners to be elitist about in the first place, it's just something some idiot made up because we own the higher end of the DC2, and idiots like yourself latch on to it, and nothing was "elitest" about what I said, it's 100% true, no matter what you or your keyboard warrior Doosch says or thinks, or in his case agrees with, because he don't know ****.

I'm far from elitest, but I am upfront about what I think and how I feel, and am strong about it, a lot of the time I'm an ******* and most know this, and have admitted this in the past. A lot of people can't handle it, but it is what it is. But I don't think I'm better then anyone, period.