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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 04:51 PM
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i have k sport coilovers on the car now. way to bouncy and harsh ride. i want a coilover that feels as comfortable as possible even at low ride heights. i know it wont be as good as stock comfort but there has to be something better than these k sports. i dont need dampering adjustment levels or any of that, just basic height control and comfort, thats all i ask. what is out there? and for decent prices.
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Old Feb 4, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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The lower you want to ride, the stiffer the suspension needs to be, to prevent bottoming. You can't have both without airbags (very progressive rate on bags).

If the car is actually bouncy (many use that term incorrectly), then you're underdamped. If your shocks allow rebound adjustment, turn it up. If they adjust both rebound and compression together, it will get harsher as you turn them up (compression increase) but will reduce the bounciness as well (rebound increase).

Also, if you're riding on the bumpstops, it will always be bouncy. You might want to check how much shock travel you actually have before bumpstop contact. When I first lowered my DC2, I was sitting on the bumpstops at rest, and my Konis really couldn't be turned up enough to compensate for the rate hike as the bumpstops came into use.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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its not on the bumpstops, its not that low right now. and all i know is, when the dampering is set all the way sft it feels the same as all the way hard. and these coilovers got bad reviews by consumers and the harshness has been recognized by many people. so im asking what coilovers are best for me in regards to what im looking for.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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keep the coilovers and buy some different spring rates. I'd say at least 400lb in the front (if your planning to ride low) and 280-350lb in the rear. Unless you want to sell the ksports setup and pick up GC coilovers with tokico illuminas.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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i want to sell these. What are the thoughts on tein basics? hows the ride down low and resonable height. And what spring rates on the GC would be good for comfort and not slammed but low?
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mportracer33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i want to sell these. What are the thoughts on tein basics? hows the ride down low and resonable height. And what spring rates on the GC would be good for comfort and not slammed but low?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i've heard good things about the tein basics, but for the money i personally wouldn't buy them. The basics run for $650-$700, with that much you can buy Ground Control slip over coilovers (OTS spring rates) with Tokico Illuminas. With this setup you also get the adj. shocks (basics shocks are not adj). I guarentee you'll love the ride quality and performance. I've ran the GC coilovers (OTS spring rates) with kyb agxs and ride quality was pretty nice. I was slammed roughly 2.0-2.5inchs all around and it this setup held up pretty well.

keep in mind that you can't have both comfort and performance, its either one or the other.
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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good info in here
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Old Feb 5, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mportracer33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have k sport coilovers on the car now. way to bouncy and harsh ride. i want a coilover that feels as comfortable as possible even at low ride heights. i know it wont be as good as stock comfort but there has to be something better than these k sports. i dont need dampering adjustment levels or any of that, just basic height control and comfort, thats all i ask. what is out there? and for decent prices.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you are looking for comfort at a low ride height, you would be better off with a coilover that HAS dampening adjustability. It would definently behoove you. What is your price range?

Ps- I am a Tein Basic owner, and I love them! If I could do it again though, I would save a little extra cash and go with the Super Sports. I wouldn't mind the dampening adjustability
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .PLUMMM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you are looking for comfort at a low ride height, you would be better off with a coilover that HAS dampening adjustability. It would definently behoove you. What is your price range?

Ps- I am a Tein Basic owner, and I love them! If I could do it again though, I would save a little extra cash and go with the Super Sports. I wouldn't mind the dampening adjustability </TD></TR></TABLE>

pretty much any of the major companies have sets that have dampening adjustability
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 12:03 AM
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where can i get replacement springs in custom rates for the k-sport coilover? im looking to get some around 350f 280r. And does anyone know what the OTS rates are for 94-01 integra k-sports? Sorry, i bought the car with these already installed so i do not know much about them.
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:08 AM
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Sorry, noob question. What is dampening adjuster and why is it important to have?
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mportracer33 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where can i get replacement springs in custom rates for the k-sport coilover? im looking to get some around 350f 280r. And does anyone know what the OTS rates are for 94-01 integra k-sports? Sorry, i bought the car with these already installed so i do not know much about them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can either call up ksport themselves or call up a ksport dealer.
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr JDM South &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pretty much any of the major companies have sets that have dampening adjustability </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes most do, but they are fairly pricey. The OP is looking for something good and relatively cheap, and the options that I provided, fit his needs.
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 07:28 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pdx_503 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry, noob question. What is dampening adjuster and why is it important to have?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Damping the purpose of the shock absorbers, and it refers to how they control the motion of the springs.

Without shock absorbers (no damping), you'd hit a bump and the car would bounce up and down and up and down uncontrolled until it settled back down naturally.

With shock absorbers (damping), the up-down motion is brought under control, reducing the oscillations to a handful of times. OEM shocks are designed with comfort in mind and will level out the car in a slower more comfortable manner (less damping), while race shocks will have more damping to bring the car under control more quickly.

Adjustable damping gives you the ability to control how much damping force is generated by the shocks. It's not important to have unless:
a. you know how to use it effectively to tune the handling of the car
b. you actually have the need to tune the handling
c. the damping adjustments offered are usable and effective.

Adjustable damping should not be considered as a way of tuning the ride quality of a car, IMO. While it has some effect, that isn't the main purpose and the feature should not be marketed that way. It's misleading - it can make a buyer think that by turning a ****, their 600lbs/in springs will feel like stock somehow.
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Old Feb 12, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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if you slam your car on ksports, adjust it all the way to stiff, it will ride better. i actually loved my ksport. i dropped it as low as i can i recently sold them and bought some tein ss. teins are very soft. my homie just bought tein basics which are soft and smooth also. i think omnis are good as well.
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