D16 Head gasket question?
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D16 Head gasket question?
Everytime I have done a D series headgasket I always see these terrible non-stamp steel head gasket. The material in those I find break down and leave terrible residue on the head surface. The B series one is a nice stamped steel head gasket with layers and I find they are great headgasket because they don't ruin the head surface when you remove the head.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.
PS: If this question isn't tech enough then my bad.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.
PS: If this question isn't tech enough then my bad.
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Re: D16 Head gasket question? (ludesrv)
I think this is a good question. I am in the middle of my first honda engine rebuild (D16A6/'90 EX) and the head gasket is murder to get off of the block. I am not too worried about the head as that is the machine shops problem ( 
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Re: D16 Head gasket question? (DailyDriverCivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DailyDriverCivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think this is a good question. I am in the middle of my first honda engine rebuild (D16A6/'90 EX) and the head gasket is murder to get off of the block. I am not too worried about the head as that is the machine shops problem ( ).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pff, machine shops. I'm gonna machine my own head!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2211163
I'll post pics when I get it done. Gonna practice on a spare SOHC head.
I'm gonna look into a few companies. But if others can post that would be great.
Edit: Looks like Cometic Gaskets makes a layered D16 head gasket:
But at 90$ I'm wondering if there is an alternative.
What other headgaskets are the same?
).</TD></TR></TABLE>Pff, machine shops. I'm gonna machine my own head!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2211163
I'll post pics when I get it done. Gonna practice on a spare SOHC head.
I'm gonna look into a few companies. But if others can post that would be great.
Edit: Looks like Cometic Gaskets makes a layered D16 head gasket:
But at 90$ I'm wondering if there is an alternative.
What other headgaskets are the same?
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Re: D16 Head gasket question? (ludesrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everytime I have done a D series headgasket I always see these terrible non-stamp steel head gasket. The material in those I find break down and leave terrible residue on the head surface. The B series one is a nice stamped steel head gasket with layers and I find they are great headgasket because they don't ruin the head surface when you remove the head.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Which part number did you receive from Honda?
There was a TSB released back in 1997 (TSB 97-047) that updated the head gasket for the '88-95 non-VTEC D-series from the old 12251-PM5-S02 part number to a new number, 12251-P01-004. The TSB gasket is layered and lists for $81.60, and you're supposed to use all new special head bolts with the TSB gasket as well (90005-PM3-004, x10, $9.55 each). They require a special torque down procedure as well.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Which part number did you receive from Honda?
There was a TSB released back in 1997 (TSB 97-047) that updated the head gasket for the '88-95 non-VTEC D-series from the old 12251-PM5-S02 part number to a new number, 12251-P01-004. The TSB gasket is layered and lists for $81.60, and you're supposed to use all new special head bolts with the TSB gasket as well (90005-PM3-004, x10, $9.55 each). They require a special torque down procedure as well.
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Re: D16 Head gasket question? (ludesrv)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Pff, machine shops. I'm gonna machine my own head!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2211163
I'll post pics when I get it done. Gonna practice on a spare SOHC head.
I'm gonna look into a few companies. But if others can post that would be great.
Edit: Looks like Cometic Gaskets makes a layered D16 head gasket:
But at 90$ I'm wondering if there is an alternative.
What other headgaskets are the same?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wish I had access to a machine shop! I do know people at the machine shop we use, so I do get a pretty good deal ($20 for basic resurface), so it is very worth it for me to have done at least.
Pff, machine shops. I'm gonna machine my own head!
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/2211163
I'll post pics when I get it done. Gonna practice on a spare SOHC head.
I'm gonna look into a few companies. But if others can post that would be great.
Edit: Looks like Cometic Gaskets makes a layered D16 head gasket:
But at 90$ I'm wondering if there is an alternative.
What other headgaskets are the same?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wish I had access to a machine shop! I do know people at the machine shop we use, so I do get a pretty good deal ($20 for basic resurface), so it is very worth it for me to have done at least.
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why dont u just get a copper one?doesnt leave **** all over your block when u take it off and u can reuse too so u dont have to buy a new gasket.
fyi im not sure on how many times it can be reused before it has to be replaced.
fyi im not sure on how many times it can be reused before it has to be replaced.
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Here is a video of a honda SOHC head that is a before/after machining process, so skip forward if you would like the finish product and the difference. That was with those composite head gaskets.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5...=user
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zccr-xsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why dont u just get a copper one?doesnt leave **** all over your block when u take it off and u can reuse too so u dont have to buy a new gasket.
fyi im not sure on how many times it can be reused before it has to be replaced.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good idea. But now that I know I can get a honda head gasket I'll stick with that. I would also like to ask another question head related.
I am swapping DOHC ZC pistons in the block, new rings and I'm doing a hone/block resurface at the same machine shop (providing tooling is available). I am also getting head studs. I read today that the d16z6 ones are the same length studs as a d16a6. I would like confirmation on that info.
I'll take lots of pictures. I am hoping to get a 'practice head' (blown up LS) to attempt the my first head resurfacing job. On thursday I go into the shop to work on my SAE mini-baja cart so I'll take a good look at the tooling.
I'm excited.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5...=user
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zccr-xsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why dont u just get a copper one?doesnt leave **** all over your block when u take it off and u can reuse too so u dont have to buy a new gasket.
fyi im not sure on how many times it can be reused before it has to be replaced.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good idea. But now that I know I can get a honda head gasket I'll stick with that. I would also like to ask another question head related.
I am swapping DOHC ZC pistons in the block, new rings and I'm doing a hone/block resurface at the same machine shop (providing tooling is available). I am also getting head studs. I read today that the d16z6 ones are the same length studs as a d16a6. I would like confirmation on that info.
I'll take lots of pictures. I am hoping to get a 'practice head' (blown up LS) to attempt the my first head resurfacing job. On thursday I go into the shop to work on my SAE mini-baja cart so I'll take a good look at the tooling.I'm excited.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zccr-xsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO! go over to tuner toys they got dohc zc ARP headstuds.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I have all 3 engines laying around more or less. I might just pull one of each. If I'm spending 80-130$ for studs I'm gonna buy the right ones the first time.
Modified by ludesrv at 2:13 AM 1/30/2008
Well I have all 3 engines laying around more or less. I might just pull one of each. If I'm spending 80-130$ for studs I'm gonna buy the right ones the first time.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everytime I have done a D series headgasket I always see these terrible non-stamp steel head gasket. The material in those I find break down and leave terrible residue on the head surface. The B series one is a nice stamped steel head gasket with layers and I find they are great headgasket because they don't ruin the head surface when you remove the head.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.
PS: If this question isn't tech enough then my bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hum, cometic head gaskets are plyable, i also think felpro are as well.
My question is, who makes them? Honda gave me a crush metal one, same with all the local parts store.
PS: If this question isn't tech enough then my bad.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hum, cometic head gaskets are plyable, i also think felpro are as well.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm Ef-9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hum, cometic head gaskets are plyable, i also think felpro are as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Felpro is not. When I went to the local auto store they gave me a composite felpro gasket. The price is right (45$) but I refuse to use those gaskets ever again.
Hum, cometic head gaskets are plyable, i also think felpro are as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Felpro is not. When I went to the local auto store they gave me a composite felpro gasket. The price is right (45$) but I refuse to use those gaskets ever again.
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