ive seen alot of b20vtec set ups and build threads but not too much info on straight B20 long blocks. post anything and everything from mild builds to semi builds to race builds

maybe this is a repost or maybe not

point me in the right direction either way & thanks in advance

 

« » 5:44 PM 9/5/2007

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im currently building an Allmotor Nonvtec set up as well and i can tell you that if you want power out of your build theres really two main ways you can get it DISPLACEMENT, and COMPRESSION.... so my advice to you is get as much displacement and as high as compression as you can go.... and as far as the head goes... see if you can source a P8R head its a japanese head that came on some b20s and it has larger valves than the us heads we have here... and also you gotta port the f*cker.... make sure everything is balanced/machined and your good to go you wont make gobs of power but the torque and the broad power band will have you nutting in your pants....
heres my set up:
B20B
Stock balanced crank
Probe H-beam forged rods
Arias 11.8:1 Pistons
Block guard
ARP studs

P-75 Head:
Port / Polish
Ferrea SS valves
Crower Dual valve springs
Crower Titanium retainers
Crower 403-2 Camshafts

Add-ons:
Skunk-2 Adjustable gears
Skunk-2 Port matched/polished intake manifold
Hondata intake Gasket
S2000 Throttle body
AEM FPR
AEM Short Ram
Greddy 4-2-1 Manifold
MSD SCI Box w/ blaster 2 coil
MSD wires
Buddy Club Exhaust

LS Tranny w/
Carbon Coated Synchros
OBX LSD

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LS trans sucks for that motor!! LSD or not.. trust me.. the motor will wake up w/ an ITR trans

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2108181

Read through that, it's been covered before, and recently.

Spock is right too, LS tranny with this motor blows donkey nuts.

 

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i read a honda tuning issue that had a company GEARSPEED that can customize trannies.

1st gear- B16
2nd gear-B16
3rd gear-B16
4th gear-GSR
5th gear-LS

thats what set up i was looking for...

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Read through that, it's been covered before, and recently.

Spock is right too, LS tranny with this motor blows donkey nuts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the info

 

$1400 for THAT tranny is pretty goddamn expensive. You can get a brand new ITR tranny for ~$1600 with a dealer hookup, and that would be with an LSD and warranty. You're better off finding a good used B16 or GSR, and you really don't need an LSD.

 

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i figured that tranny would be expensive and you're right i dont need lsd nor do i want it. i wont be racing i just want to be able to get places when i need to and not cruise the highways at a high rpm. my actual motor build will probably be cheaper then my longblock. all i really want is

-cams, springs,retainers, valves
-intake manifold
-headers
-intake
-exhaust

 

You can save more money and skip the intake manifold, which really only benefits higher rpm power, at the expense of low-end torque. Valves are also not going to really net you any significant benefit.

If you're just concerned about revs at highway cruising speed, the LS tranny is probably your best bet without getting too complicated. If you're a mechanically-minded guy, it's not TOO bad to swap the LS 5th gear into a GSR or B16 tranny, but it does take knowing what you're doing. I drove my LS motor with an LS tranny for a couple months, and it was fantastic on the highway like that.

 

I will be running this setup for a while until I scrounge for scrilla for a V-tacky head.

I hate my LS tranny ... unless I am on the freeway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stinkycheezmonky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can save more money and skip the intake manifold, which really only benefits higher rpm power, at the expense of low-end torque. Valves are also not going to really net you any significant benefit.

If you're just concerned about revs at highway cruising speed, the LS tranny is probably your best bet without getting too complicated. If you're a mechanically-minded guy, it's not TOO bad to swap the LS 5th gear into a GSR or B16 tranny, but it does take knowing what you're doing. I drove my LS motor with an LS tranny for a couple months, and it was fantastic on the highway like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ive heard of that gear swap. i wont do it but i know someone that can. good info. a main factor would be that luxury of cruising the highway in 5th gear at a low rpm. im sure the exhaust i end up with will need that ls 5th gear in order to keep it somewhat quiet while cruising but i wanted quick gears for stoplight driving which is why i mentioned the gearspeed set up.

so i can run crowers stage one cams with out any internal mods? i gotta see what the advantage of the cams vs oem cams are.

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I hate my LS tranny ... unless I am on the freeway</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats what ive been hearing

..just a pic of a mild tuck i saw and looked like something i wanted to do

 

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so i can run crowers stage one cams with out any internal mods? i gotta see what the advantage of the cams vs oem cams are.
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Stage Ones (or Stage "Zeros", the 62401s) are pretty puny. The 403s make a noticeable difference, while the 401s are nearly identical to stock cams.

 

yea i never saw the point of 401s..

 

lsd trannys ftw

 

Jason what are you think running a strait b20?...lol jk

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .CUBISH. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jason what are you think running a strait b20?...lol jk</TD></TR></TABLE>

no racing for me this time around kid. i just want a torqy motor thatll get me around locally and do the long haul to miami everynow and then. i heard you had one not too long ago !?! whats good. give up the info !

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Stage Ones (or Stage "Zeros", the 62401s) are pretty puny. The 403s make a noticeable difference, while the 401s are nearly identical to stock cams.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so im guessing you can use stock internals with 403s or no ???

i cant find the 403s non-vtec on their site


Modified by Mr JDM South at 5:20 PM 1/21/2008

 

nah.. i had a built b20vtec.. made 240 on pump gas

 

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oooooooh. nice numbers as usual. keep an eye out on a long block for me locally

 

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so im guessing you can use stock internals with 403s or no ???

i cant find the 403s non-vtec on their site


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62403-2
<U>Stage 2 - Street/Strip package.</U>
Most popular "all motor" profile.
Requires #84162 kit( DUAL SPRING & TI RETAINERS ) . 1000 to 8000+ rpm (15-18 hp).

 

403s do "require" valvesprings and retainers. I'm not sure if you can get away on stock valvesprings or not. To find them, you have to select "B18A/B" from the upper right drop-down menu on Crower's site.

 

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62403-2
<U>Stage 2 - Street/Strip package.</U>
Most popular "all motor" profile.
Requires #84162 kit( DUAL SPRING & TI RETAINERS ) . 1000 to 8000+ rpm (15-18 hp).
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id go with the upgraded internals

 

As would I. What I'm wondering is, are they needed if you're not revving over the stock limit? Not that doing that would be a good idea with those cams anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stinkycheezmonky &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As would I. What I'm wondering is, are they needed if you're not revving over the stock limit? Not that doing that would be a good idea with those cams anyway </TD></TR></TABLE>

i plan on not reving past stock rev limit but who knows whatll happen. maybe one day ill have to outrun the cops one day jk jk but just be better safe then sorry ill upgrade

 

if your looking for a conservative set-up with some adaptability i'd maybe checkout the rocket motorsports l21 package.... it comes with a customizable chip a some street-able specs that may fit the bill, both functionally and pocket book wise...

 

l21's can make some power but they are regrinds and are therefore limited in how much power they can make. they will prolly be pretty close to 403's though.

anyway as far as b20 setups you can check my sig for mine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">l21's can make some power but they are regrinds and are therefore limited in how much power they can make. they will prolly be pretty close to 403's though.

anyway as far as b20 setups you can check my sig for mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

props sir