Suspension setup.....opinions?
Wanting to get some feedback on my setup I have in mind for my 99SI. At the moment I have Koni Yellows and H&R Sports. I'm working towards my license and will do so mostly, if not only, between VIR and Summit.
I plan to scrap the H&R's and run GC.....spring rates I'm mixed on trying to find the right balance between handling, braking etc. I've seen 400/600, 500/500 & 500/600...if I recall correctly.
I am also planning to install an ASR sub frame brace and an ASR 24mm sway.
I plan to scrap the H&R's and run GC.....spring rates I'm mixed on trying to find the right balance between handling, braking etc. I've seen 400/600, 500/500 & 500/600...if I recall correctly.
I am also planning to install an ASR sub frame brace and an ASR 24mm sway.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tthomass »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wanting to get some feedback on my setup I have in mind for my 99SI. At the moment I have Koni Yellows and H&R Sports. I'm working towards my license and will do so mostly, if not only, between VIR and Summit.
I plan to scrap the H&R's and run GC.....spring rates I'm mixed on trying to find the right balance between handling, braking etc. I've seen 400/600, 500/500 & 500/600...if I recall correctly.
I am also planning to install an ASR sub frame brace and an ASR 24mm sway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You really need to do a thorough search in the H-T archives as this question has been handled a thousand times before. To really give you a good setup for the intended purpose of the car would literally take a few thousand words - words that have been written over and over in countless threads here.
I plan to scrap the H&R's and run GC.....spring rates I'm mixed on trying to find the right balance between handling, braking etc. I've seen 400/600, 500/500 & 500/600...if I recall correctly.
I am also planning to install an ASR sub frame brace and an ASR 24mm sway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You really need to do a thorough search in the H-T archives as this question has been handled a thousand times before. To really give you a good setup for the intended purpose of the car would literally take a few thousand words - words that have been written over and over in countless threads here.
do you have any track experience?ifnot,i'd try to keep a fairly "tight" setup for a few events to get used to it before making the car rotate too much.
i'd keep the H&R springs and stock swaybars for now.getting driving time in is more important right now than any suspension mods.if you do want the GCs now,i'd go with the 500/500 rates.i'd definitely recommend holding off on the big rear swaybar for a while.
i started off with 450f/350r springs and stock GSR swaybars on my EG.i then went up to a 19mm rear bar,and later stepped up to 500lb rear springs(left the front at 450lb).my next step will be to a bigger rear bar.
i really do think making the car rotate more one step at a time has helped me progress a lot faster.at first,you couldn't do anything to get the car out of shape,which was great.it let me concentrate on driving.i've picked up speed with every new mod i've made,doing at least one event with each new mod.that way there's no huge change in handling that i have to get used to.
i've seen plenty of people in their first few events have the super blinged out,extremely stiff,rear biased spring rate coilovers and the biggest rear bar they can find,only for the car to be so loose that they can't learn anything.
Chris
i'd keep the H&R springs and stock swaybars for now.getting driving time in is more important right now than any suspension mods.if you do want the GCs now,i'd go with the 500/500 rates.i'd definitely recommend holding off on the big rear swaybar for a while.
i started off with 450f/350r springs and stock GSR swaybars on my EG.i then went up to a 19mm rear bar,and later stepped up to 500lb rear springs(left the front at 450lb).my next step will be to a bigger rear bar.
i really do think making the car rotate more one step at a time has helped me progress a lot faster.at first,you couldn't do anything to get the car out of shape,which was great.it let me concentrate on driving.i've picked up speed with every new mod i've made,doing at least one event with each new mod.that way there's no huge change in handling that i have to get used to.
i've seen plenty of people in their first few events have the super blinged out,extremely stiff,rear biased spring rate coilovers and the biggest rear bar they can find,only for the car to be so loose that they can't learn anything.
Chris
Actual track experience, no. My car and others on back roads is about it. I do not want to have the car overly tight and the rear is a concern. The sway, to me, is not a must at this moment but I did want to go ahead with the springs as I have the time now to do it vs later. My idea is to improve upon the suspension + wheels/tires + seats + roll bar + brakes. Then as I progress add on to the car.
you schedule should be :
drive on track with the actual set up, drive, drive drive, then drive, drive, oh and drive...
months/year (depending on how often you drive on the track) later, think about modifying what you dislike about the car combined with your driving
set ups really comes down to how you drive the car, and the more internet-setup you add to your car, the less skills you'll gain out of driving it on track as a beginner since it might not be well suited for your needs.
get out there, have fun and experience with a very basic/easy/forgiving to drive set-up...you'll thank this suggestion later, trust me !
drive on track with the actual set up, drive, drive drive, then drive, drive, oh and drive...
months/year (depending on how often you drive on the track) later, think about modifying what you dislike about the car combined with your driving
set ups really comes down to how you drive the car, and the more internet-setup you add to your car, the less skills you'll gain out of driving it on track as a beginner since it might not be well suited for your needs.
get out there, have fun and experience with a very basic/easy/forgiving to drive set-up...you'll thank this suggestion later, trust me !
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STN_Pat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you schedule should be :
drive on track with the actual set up, drive, drive drive, then drive, drive, oh and drive...
months/year (depending on how often you drive on the track) later, think about modifying what you dislike about the car combined with your driving
set ups really comes down to how you drive the car, and the more internet-setup you add to your car, the less skills you'll gain out of driving it on track as a beginner since it might not be well suited for your needs.
get out there, have fun and experience with a very basic/easy/forgiving to drive set-up...you'll thank this suggestion later, trust me !</TD></TR></TABLE>
that's my point exactly...people read the crap on here and other sites and think their Civic is going to plow into the next county unless they have the newest,blingiest,billet-ist(is that a word?)rear swaybar and mega high rate springs(with the rears being twice as stiff as the fronts).a Civic with decent shocks,streetable spring rates and stock swaybars is the perfect learning tool,and turns plenty until you get some experience.
those ultra-loose setups are very fast with a very good driver.with a newer driver they just hamper the learning experience,and increase the chance of going off,possibly damaging your/other cars and/or yourself/other people.
Chris
drive on track with the actual set up, drive, drive drive, then drive, drive, oh and drive...
months/year (depending on how often you drive on the track) later, think about modifying what you dislike about the car combined with your driving
set ups really comes down to how you drive the car, and the more internet-setup you add to your car, the less skills you'll gain out of driving it on track as a beginner since it might not be well suited for your needs.
get out there, have fun and experience with a very basic/easy/forgiving to drive set-up...you'll thank this suggestion later, trust me !</TD></TR></TABLE>
that's my point exactly...people read the crap on here and other sites and think their Civic is going to plow into the next county unless they have the newest,blingiest,billet-ist(is that a word?)rear swaybar and mega high rate springs(with the rears being twice as stiff as the fronts).a Civic with decent shocks,streetable spring rates and stock swaybars is the perfect learning tool,and turns plenty until you get some experience.
those ultra-loose setups are very fast with a very good driver.with a newer driver they just hamper the learning experience,and increase the chance of going off,possibly damaging your/other cars and/or yourself/other people.
Chris
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