JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si
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JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si
OK my buddys got a 99 Si with JDM CTR headlights. He wants HIDs in them and said it's got the three flat electrical connections that resemble an upside down U.
What bulb size/type is it?
Also, what's the difference between bi-xenon and a hi-lo xenon system??
I heard that a bi-xenon has FOUR ballasts and the hi-lo system only uses one pair?
What bulb size/type is it?
Also, what's the difference between bi-xenon and a hi-lo xenon system??
I heard that a bi-xenon has FOUR ballasts and the hi-lo system only uses one pair?
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MestizoRacer310 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK my buddys got a 99 Si with JDM CTR headlights. He wants HIDs in them and said it's got the three flat electrical connections that resemble an upside down U.
What bulb size/type is it?
Also, what's the difference between bi-xenon and a hi-lo xenon system??
I heard that a bi-xenon has FOUR ballasts and the hi-lo system only uses one pair?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The stock bulb is a 9003 aka H4 aka HB2.
What bulb size/type is it?
Also, what's the difference between bi-xenon and a hi-lo xenon system??
I heard that a bi-xenon has FOUR ballasts and the hi-lo system only uses one pair?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The stock bulb is a 9003 aka H4 aka HB2.
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (NOFX)
The info you gave me I found on sylvania.com's product guide. I doubt they'd have this kind of information for japanese domestic market civic type r headlights that have been mounted in a usdm 99 si.
Please guys, fully read what a person posts before responding.
Please guys, fully read what a person posts before responding.
Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
Bi-xenon has both high and low beams being HID. Hi-low xenon uses an HID low beam and halogen high beam. There are also some kits that have a single HID bulb that has a motor which points the bulb up for high beam and moves it back down for low beam.
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MestizoRacer310 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The info you gave me I found on sylvania.com's product guide. I doubt they'd have this kind of information for japanese domestic market civic type r headlights that have been mounted in a usdm 99 si.
Please guys, fully read what a person posts before responding. </TD></TR></TABLE>
H4 = overseas headlight bulb for 6th gen Civics.
9003 = US version of the H4 bulb which just has more specific terms for where the filaments within the bulb should be.
There are not "JDM" headlight bulbs for the '96-'00 Civics. Don't flame before you figure out if I'm right or wrong.
He should be able to fit his stock bulbs in there as long as he already has the CTR lights.
Modified by NOFX at 10:58 PM 1/10/2008
Please guys, fully read what a person posts before responding.
</TD></TR></TABLE>H4 = overseas headlight bulb for 6th gen Civics.
9003 = US version of the H4 bulb which just has more specific terms for where the filaments within the bulb should be.
There are not "JDM" headlight bulbs for the '96-'00 Civics. Don't flame before you figure out if I'm right or wrong.
He should be able to fit his stock bulbs in there as long as he already has the CTR lights.
Modified by NOFX at 10:58 PM 1/10/2008
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (NOFX)
OK so let me get this straight.......
These lights aren't specific to the JDM market? I thought they were since the US never got the CTR to begin with.......
and also BOTH us spec si headlights AND the "JDM" CTR headlights use the same 9003/H4(H) bulb?
Any hey, NOFX.....I was referring to the other guy who said ask Autozone..I doubt they'd know anything that has anything to do w/ jdm stuff.....I asked if they carried a tire tread depth gauge and the dumb-a$$ pointed at a tire pressure gauge (the one that's shaped like a pencil with the thing in the middle that pops out) and aks me..."Are you talking about that one?"
These lights aren't specific to the JDM market? I thought they were since the US never got the CTR to begin with.......
and also BOTH us spec si headlights AND the "JDM" CTR headlights use the same 9003/H4(H) bulb?
Any hey, NOFX.....I was referring to the other guy who said ask Autozone..I doubt they'd know anything that has anything to do w/ jdm stuff.....I asked if they carried a tire tread depth gauge and the dumb-a$$ pointed at a tire pressure gauge (the one that's shaped like a pencil with the thing in the middle that pops out) and aks me..."Are you talking about that one?"
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
Originally Posted by MestizoRacer310
OK so let me get this straight.......
These lights aren't specific to the JDM market? I thought they were since the US never got the CTR to begin with.......
and also BOTH us spec si headlights AND the "JDM" CTR headlights use the same 9003/H4(H) bulb?
Any hey, NOFX.....I was referring to the other guy who said ask Autozone..I doubt they'd know anything that has anything to do w/ jdm stuff.....I asked if they carried a tire tread depth gauge and the dumb-a$$ pointed at a tire pressure gauge (the one that's shaped like a pencil with the thing in the middle that pops out) and aks me..."Are you talking about that one?"
These lights aren't specific to the JDM market? I thought they were since the US never got the CTR to begin with.......
and also BOTH us spec si headlights AND the "JDM" CTR headlights use the same 9003/H4(H) bulb?
Any hey, NOFX.....I was referring to the other guy who said ask Autozone..I doubt they'd know anything that has anything to do w/ jdm stuff.....I asked if they carried a tire tread depth gauge and the dumb-a$$ pointed at a tire pressure gauge (the one that's shaped like a pencil with the thing in the middle that pops out) and aks me..."Are you talking about that one?"
The gauge you mentioned is called a pencil gauge.
And anyway, like we said, it's the same bulb as the US Civics.
The '97-'00 CTR was only available in Japan. The headlights are unique to the CTR and unique to that market. BUT the headlights take the same exact bulb as ALL other 6th gen Civics throughout the world. My '98 EX headlights use 9003/H4 bulbs. The EDM '96-'98 headlights Eran has use 9003/H4 bulbs. And the JDM CTR headlights your friend has use 9003/H4 bulbs too. It doesn't matter if they're '96-'98 or '99-'00. They're all the same bulb.
Originally Posted by LwdJdmR
HB2 . . . H4 . . . . 9004
will fit.
it goes thr same for SI-R lights
will fit.
it goes thr same for SI-R lights
And the SiR headlights aren't different from any other Civic headlight (for the correct year span) in the country said SiR is from. Same goes for Si headlights in the US compared with the headlights from a CX, DX, EX, GX, HX or LX.
More info about the bulbs used in different countries: http://candlepowerinc.com/pdfs/H4_9003.pdf
For those who don't wish to load (or can't load) the PDF:
Originally Posted by CandlePowerInc.com
<FONT SIZE="4">H4, HB2, and 9003 bulbs</FONT>
<FONT SIZE="3">9003 and HB2 are different names for the same bulb, so these numbers apply to just two kinds of bulb: H4 and 9003/HB2.</FONT>
9003 and H4 bulbs look alike, fit in all the same headlamps, have the same wattage rating and seem to be completely interchangeable, but in some places, the law says that only one or the other type must be used.
In 1971, the H4 bulb was introduced in Europe as the world's first halogen headlamp bulb that could produce both low and high beam from a single bulb. It quickly became the world's most popular headlight bulb except in the USA, where cars had to have sealed beam headlamps with non-replaceable bulbs. Motorcycles in the USA have never been required to use sealed beam headlamps, and so the H4 bulbs became popular for motorcycles in the US and worldwide. It is widely used to this day.
In 1983, the US Department of Transportation (DOT) first permitted cars in the US to use non-sealed-beam headlamps with replaceable bulbs, but DOT requirements differ from those in force outside the USA. On of the US requirement is that the beam aim must not change when the bulb is replaced. This can happen is a low quality replacement bulb is installed, because in a poorly made bulbs, the filament is often improperly positioned. Headlamps are optical instruments, and they depend on the filament being very precisely placed. If the filament is not precisely where it's meant to be, the beam pattern will be shifted or changed.
Like all engineered products, headlight bulbs are built to a technical standard which specifies all mechanical, electrical and dimensional aspects of the bulb. This blueprint makes sure all bulbs of a given type are interchangeable, and provides allowable ranges, or manufacturing tolerances, for each aspect.
In 1991, automakers wanted to use H4 headlights bulbs on cars in the US, but the DOT decided engineering blueprints for H4 bulbs allow too much variance in the position of the filaments within the bulb. So a new blueprint was made, with all the electrical and dimensional properties the same, but with stricter limits on filament placement variance. Because of the limits in the US on beam intensity in effect in 1991, the maximum allowable light output tolerance was also reduced. This new bulb specification was called "9003/HB2", because at the time, two numbering conventions were in use. Many 9003/HB2 bulbs also carry the "H4" marking, and vice versa, because it is possible to meet the specifications in both blueprints at the same time. The first headlamps with 9003 bulbs were on 1992 model cars.
Filament placement variance is not a problem with high quality bulbs made by reputable companies. At Candlepower, we make sure all our bulbs are better than the law requires. Our filaments are all precision focused inside watch bulb to ensure a properly placed, properly formed beam in any headlamp. In areas where there is no legal preference for 9003 bulbs over H4 bulbs in cars, any Candlepower H4 or 9003 bulb can be used with confidence in any headlamp.
<FONT SIZE="3">Technical bulletin:
H4, HB2, & 9003 bulbs.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="red">Who may use HB2 or 9003 bulbs?</FONT>
9003 or HB2 bulbs marked "DOT" may be used in the US and Canada in any car headlamp that is marked "DOT HB2," and in any motorcycle headlamp designed to take an H4, 9003 or HB2 bulb. They can also be used in any car headlamp designed to take an H4 bulb.
<FONT COLOR="red">Who must use HB2 or 9003 bulbs?</FONT>
Automakers must install only 9003/HB2 bulbs marked "DOT" in the USA in headlamps marked "DOT HB2." To make sure such headlamps remain in compliance with Federal standards in the USA, use only replacement 9003 or HB2 bulbs marked "DOT." This is especially important in areas where headlamp bulbs are checked for "DOT" markings as part of a state vehicle inspection program.
<FONT COLOR="red">Who may use H4 bulbs?</FONT>
H4 bulbs may be used in H4 headlamps, in any country where such headlamps are permitted on cars or motorcycles. Outside the USA, thy may be used in headlamps designed to take HB2/9003 bulbs in areas where there is no requirement or inspection for bulbs marked "DOT."
<FONT COLOR="red">Who must use H4 bulbs?</FONT>
H4 bulbs with a circle-E mark are required in many countries outside of North America.
Copyright 2003 Candlepower Inc.
<FONT SIZE="3">9003 and HB2 are different names for the same bulb, so these numbers apply to just two kinds of bulb: H4 and 9003/HB2.</FONT>
9003 and H4 bulbs look alike, fit in all the same headlamps, have the same wattage rating and seem to be completely interchangeable, but in some places, the law says that only one or the other type must be used.
In 1971, the H4 bulb was introduced in Europe as the world's first halogen headlamp bulb that could produce both low and high beam from a single bulb. It quickly became the world's most popular headlight bulb except in the USA, where cars had to have sealed beam headlamps with non-replaceable bulbs. Motorcycles in the USA have never been required to use sealed beam headlamps, and so the H4 bulbs became popular for motorcycles in the US and worldwide. It is widely used to this day.
In 1983, the US Department of Transportation (DOT) first permitted cars in the US to use non-sealed-beam headlamps with replaceable bulbs, but DOT requirements differ from those in force outside the USA. On of the US requirement is that the beam aim must not change when the bulb is replaced. This can happen is a low quality replacement bulb is installed, because in a poorly made bulbs, the filament is often improperly positioned. Headlamps are optical instruments, and they depend on the filament being very precisely placed. If the filament is not precisely where it's meant to be, the beam pattern will be shifted or changed.
Like all engineered products, headlight bulbs are built to a technical standard which specifies all mechanical, electrical and dimensional aspects of the bulb. This blueprint makes sure all bulbs of a given type are interchangeable, and provides allowable ranges, or manufacturing tolerances, for each aspect.
In 1991, automakers wanted to use H4 headlights bulbs on cars in the US, but the DOT decided engineering blueprints for H4 bulbs allow too much variance in the position of the filaments within the bulb. So a new blueprint was made, with all the electrical and dimensional properties the same, but with stricter limits on filament placement variance. Because of the limits in the US on beam intensity in effect in 1991, the maximum allowable light output tolerance was also reduced. This new bulb specification was called "9003/HB2", because at the time, two numbering conventions were in use. Many 9003/HB2 bulbs also carry the "H4" marking, and vice versa, because it is possible to meet the specifications in both blueprints at the same time. The first headlamps with 9003 bulbs were on 1992 model cars.
Filament placement variance is not a problem with high quality bulbs made by reputable companies. At Candlepower, we make sure all our bulbs are better than the law requires. Our filaments are all precision focused inside watch bulb to ensure a properly placed, properly formed beam in any headlamp. In areas where there is no legal preference for 9003 bulbs over H4 bulbs in cars, any Candlepower H4 or 9003 bulb can be used with confidence in any headlamp.
<FONT SIZE="3">Technical bulletin:
H4, HB2, & 9003 bulbs.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="red">Who may use HB2 or 9003 bulbs?</FONT>
9003 or HB2 bulbs marked "DOT" may be used in the US and Canada in any car headlamp that is marked "DOT HB2," and in any motorcycle headlamp designed to take an H4, 9003 or HB2 bulb. They can also be used in any car headlamp designed to take an H4 bulb.
<FONT COLOR="red">Who must use HB2 or 9003 bulbs?</FONT>
Automakers must install only 9003/HB2 bulbs marked "DOT" in the USA in headlamps marked "DOT HB2." To make sure such headlamps remain in compliance with Federal standards in the USA, use only replacement 9003 or HB2 bulbs marked "DOT." This is especially important in areas where headlamp bulbs are checked for "DOT" markings as part of a state vehicle inspection program.
<FONT COLOR="red">Who may use H4 bulbs?</FONT>
H4 bulbs may be used in H4 headlamps, in any country where such headlamps are permitted on cars or motorcycles. Outside the USA, thy may be used in headlamps designed to take HB2/9003 bulbs in areas where there is no requirement or inspection for bulbs marked "DOT."
<FONT COLOR="red">Who must use H4 bulbs?</FONT>
H4 bulbs with a circle-E mark are required in many countries outside of North America.
Copyright 2003 Candlepower Inc.
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (NOFX)
Cool **** NOFX. You learn something new everyday. Thanks for that pdf file.
And regarding Autozone and other places....most of the time you (as a consumer) need to deem most of the people who work at a place are idiots until they prove themselves otherwise.
Here's my reasoning....prior to selling my wagon I needed to replace my clutch. So I had a shop do it (under the books unfortunately)....and while they had it apart they said I needed to replace the rear main seal because it "just fell out". So of course I said yes. Keep in mind I was running Mobil 1 full synthetic 5W-30. I had absolutely NO LEAKS. About a week or two go by and it starts leaking. I bumped it up to 10W-30 and almost considered going to 15W-50. I told the guys that it wasn't leaking before and it was something they did. They turned around and told me I'd have to PAY AGAIN for them to remove the trans to inspect. They went on to say things like it may be the crankshaft "walking" back and forth which cut up the seal or a plug above the crankshaft. Needless to say I just left it alone and sold the car "as-is" with the leaks.
The next owner, who happened to be a friend of mine...said he had the rear main replaced again and hasn't had ANY LEAKS at all. I don't know who he went to, but apparently they know more about Hondas than the shop I went to....
So in essense....the consumer needs to get proof that a certain place has no idiots working there....you know..the workers that don't give a **** about being there, or the ones that don't give a **** about the consumers that come in to their place of business....or even the ones that are just there "for the money, not to help people".
Anyway, sorry to stray WAY off topic but I wanted to make myself clear to NOFX about why I made statements like I did about Autozone......
Once again, thank you...NOFX for the enlightenment!
And regarding Autozone and other places....most of the time you (as a consumer) need to deem most of the people who work at a place are idiots until they prove themselves otherwise.
Here's my reasoning....prior to selling my wagon I needed to replace my clutch. So I had a shop do it (under the books unfortunately)....and while they had it apart they said I needed to replace the rear main seal because it "just fell out". So of course I said yes. Keep in mind I was running Mobil 1 full synthetic 5W-30. I had absolutely NO LEAKS. About a week or two go by and it starts leaking. I bumped it up to 10W-30 and almost considered going to 15W-50. I told the guys that it wasn't leaking before and it was something they did. They turned around and told me I'd have to PAY AGAIN for them to remove the trans to inspect. They went on to say things like it may be the crankshaft "walking" back and forth which cut up the seal or a plug above the crankshaft. Needless to say I just left it alone and sold the car "as-is" with the leaks.
The next owner, who happened to be a friend of mine...said he had the rear main replaced again and hasn't had ANY LEAKS at all. I don't know who he went to, but apparently they know more about Hondas than the shop I went to....
So in essense....the consumer needs to get proof that a certain place has no idiots working there....you know..the workers that don't give a **** about being there, or the ones that don't give a **** about the consumers that come in to their place of business....or even the ones that are just there "for the money, not to help people".
Anyway, sorry to stray WAY off topic but I wanted to make myself clear to NOFX about why I made statements like I did about Autozone......
Once again, thank you...NOFX for the enlightenment!
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
That sounds like they were trying to make an extra buck off of you.
And you're welcome.
I've heard of dumbasses that work at auto parts stores and dumbasses who are customers at autoparts stores. Examples: I get a phone call while I'm working at Advance Auto Parts on the east coast. The guy on the line has a '69 Camaro he's doing some work to. I hear him laugh in the background and say to his friend, "No, I don't think Amy's that dumb." I asked him what he and his friend were talking about. He said he'd just called Autozone a bit before and had asked for lifters for the Camaro. The employee at Autozone replied back, "Do you need them for the trunk or the hood?"
I've since gotten a lot of stories about stupid customers at Autozone. One of my favorites is a guy comes in with a friend. He says he needs a radiator hose for a Mazda pickup (B2000/B2200/B2300). He has me pull the hose off the wall and when I bring it up he yells at me that it's wrong and that all the other auto parts stores he's been to wouldn't have even had to look the part up, that they would have heard what he needed and been able to magically know where it is on the ten foot tall by thirty foot long wall of hoses.
I didn't want to deal with him anymore. I had my boss come over and he asked the guy again, what car he needed the parts for. The guy says exactly what he told me and exactly what I put into the computer. Guess what? The customer was wrong. he didn't know what he was driving and that's why we pulled the "wrong" hose. We pulled the right hose... for the car he said he had.
I know there aren't always the smartest people working at auto parts stores. You have to realize what kid of job they are though. They pay minimum wage to people that don't necessarily care about cars in the last bit. For a lot of people, this is just a job. For me it is too (high unemployment rate here = decent jobs are hard to find). Case in point; My coworker (who is above me) telling a customer that everything on your car has it's very own fuse that affects no other part but that one part. I had to correct him right there (found the customer's problem too). He didn't look happy but he got over it.
And you're welcome.
I've heard of dumbasses that work at auto parts stores and dumbasses who are customers at autoparts stores. Examples: I get a phone call while I'm working at Advance Auto Parts on the east coast. The guy on the line has a '69 Camaro he's doing some work to. I hear him laugh in the background and say to his friend, "No, I don't think Amy's that dumb." I asked him what he and his friend were talking about. He said he'd just called Autozone a bit before and had asked for lifters for the Camaro. The employee at Autozone replied back, "Do you need them for the trunk or the hood?"
I've since gotten a lot of stories about stupid customers at Autozone. One of my favorites is a guy comes in with a friend. He says he needs a radiator hose for a Mazda pickup (B2000/B2200/B2300). He has me pull the hose off the wall and when I bring it up he yells at me that it's wrong and that all the other auto parts stores he's been to wouldn't have even had to look the part up, that they would have heard what he needed and been able to magically know where it is on the ten foot tall by thirty foot long wall of hoses.
I didn't want to deal with him anymore. I had my boss come over and he asked the guy again, what car he needed the parts for. The guy says exactly what he told me and exactly what I put into the computer. Guess what? The customer was wrong. he didn't know what he was driving and that's why we pulled the "wrong" hose. We pulled the right hose... for the car he said he had.
I know there aren't always the smartest people working at auto parts stores. You have to realize what kid of job they are though. They pay minimum wage to people that don't necessarily care about cars in the last bit. For a lot of people, this is just a job. For me it is too (high unemployment rate here = decent jobs are hard to find). Case in point; My coworker (who is above me) telling a customer that everything on your car has it's very own fuse that affects no other part but that one part. I had to correct him right there (found the customer's problem too). He didn't look happy but he got over it.
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Re: JDM CTR headlights in a 99 Si (MestizoRacer310)
Idiots or not, why would the guys at autozone know anything about a part that was original equipment on a car sold in a different country?
I worked at autozone for 2 years, and if you think the employees are idiots, wait till you see the customers. People who mess up their cars trying to "fix" it themselves are the reason that autozone stays in business. That being said, autozone cant be expected to have knowledgable employees stay for long when they are only paying their managers in the single digit dollars per hour. Their regular employees even less. Worst job i ever had.
I worked at autozone for 2 years, and if you think the employees are idiots, wait till you see the customers. People who mess up their cars trying to "fix" it themselves are the reason that autozone stays in business. That being said, autozone cant be expected to have knowledgable employees stay for long when they are only paying their managers in the single digit dollars per hour. Their regular employees even less. Worst job i ever had.
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JDM, EDM, USDM.. they are all cars, not everyone is educated on the parts that go on those cars. But people working behind the counters at autopart stores can't be judged by their cover... i've talked and worked with people who know their stuff....
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