Hi everyone,

Im quite serious about getting this gearset, id just like to know if anyone here could share there experience with them?

Also what they retail at? There website dont seem to be working and I havnt got a reply from my email yet.

Thanks
-Yasir

 

-they are expensive
-they suck on the street
-its hard to hurt them
-oh, and it will only be a 4 speed

 

I thought you have choice of using clutch or not? Why is it not good on the street?

By hard to hurt them, do you mean hard to break them?

4speed do you mean the 1st 4gears are dog and 5th stock?

 

typically they will have a collar where there should be a 5th gear, that is to prevent the gears from pushing each other away and distroying both the gear/syncros and possibly the case,
they usually get rid of the sychro (you will have to rev match one gear to where it would drop into the next gear rpm wise) to have more surface are for the gear and not being helical (strait cut) will be pretty ruff to drive daily

oh and expect the retail to be over 1400 plus have someone install them

 

Orite I see, what about the PAR gearset? Anyone use this? Any better or worser then Liberty?

 

PPG makes a dog box for the b-series tranny. Their gearsets are really popular among the WRX rally crowd.

Gear ratios: 2.428 / 1.813 / 1.421 / 1.174 / 1.000
Final Drive: 5.545

 

Yeh I had a look at them, but they cost the most at $10,000. The PAR comes in at half the price and you can choose custom ratio's for no extra charge....

 

they are a drag transmission if youre not drag racing its not for you...

 

Can you not use them on circuit either? Im sure ive seen gtr's and evo's run them on street and track here. Or would they have a more complicated set-up?

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1692990

 

Can't believe I couldnt find that after all the searching. Thanks alot dude.

 

are you going to use them for the track?

 

What do you require from the gears? Are you taking your car to the track/auto-x or are you drag racing?

What sort of power level is your engine making?

Without these answers, it is hard to point you in the correct direction.

 

I want track and drag, car will be 500-600whp. I just want a good box that will last for long, and not have to worry about abusing.

So far PAR suit's all my needs.

What's the progress with your gearset?

 

We are bring in PPG sychro strait cut sets this spring, 1-4 for around 3.5k.

 

Didnt you guy's use par before? Thats a good price btw for the PPG.

 

wow, you are using 600whp on track?

Track racing and drag racing use completely different gearing setups from one another (although it does depend on the course).

You will not find a gearset that will be perfect for both, especially with 600whp

As for the PPG's:

Gear ratios: 2.428 / 1.813 / 1.421 / 1.174 / 1.000
Final Drive: 5.545

The ratios are completely unsuitable for Drag Racing (44mph/58mph/74mph/90mph/106mph). They are only really suitable for a short Rally setup.

Why would you want to spend $3.5k on a rally gearset when you can can achieve the same result for under $1k (Click Here to see the comparison)? And "strength" does not come into it, as rally vehicles do not achieve anywhere near the same sort of shockloads as high-horsepower drag cars.


Modified by MFactory at 3:13 AM 1/12/2008

 

Well I wouldnt use 600whp on track unless I was in 5th. It may not be competetive but it's what I enjoy doing.

How do I achieve the same results for under $1k?

 

If you click on the comparison link above, it shows you what ratios you can get to give you the same results as the PPG's

 

The synchro PPG's will actually be around
2.615 / 1.666 / 1.33 / 1.00 with stock 5th and final drive.

 

Ratio's arnt my problem, im after a gearset that will handle serious abuse....PAR will do me custom ratio's and the ratio's just listed for the PPG arnt too bad either...

 

Just found out the PPG's will be a little different than I thought, here are the final #'s
2.615 / 1.666 / 1.15 / .91 with stock 5th and final drive.

 

Erikos: Thats just as bad. You can achieve the same for under $600

Garage786: What kind of abuse will you be giving it? What is the point of spending thousands on a PAR for custom ratios when you are doing both track and drag. TBH, your best bet would be to stick to your stock ratios.

 

MF: if your stuff don't break, then you are correct, if it does, well.... $600 is expensive

 

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Go to my thread....some where near the end. RacerStev has been heat treating stuff for me and it has held up thus far. Tons of high hp launches, low 10sec passes and many street miles. Very inexpensive too when you look at the costs of some other sets out there.