come on guys vote for the Type R. Dont sit there. Even if the US wont get it, atleast we tried our best .
I say lets tell them that if other countries can have the RSX-R and Civic Type R why can't we? We don't deserve to be short changed as there are a lot of other great cars coming to the states to topple over models like the RSX Type S.

Ergh come one dont waste time. tell everyone to petitiate. BTW i am #3020
http://www.petitiononline.com/typer/

Hope you help guys,
Kamal


[Modified by IntegraTypeR, 10:57 PM 7/1/2002]

 

Dude.. this is not gonna work..

 

damn alot of people signed that thing already. i hope it comes.

 

I don't mean to be an *** but what does "petitiate" mean?

 

i believe the person who explained why it WONT come because of the "Type S" denotion is all you need to listen to to realize that it's not gonna happen.

 

Its more than the name thats keeping it from US shores... EPA is a big one... Remaking red Acura badges and RSX Type R for JUST the US and Canada... Change in Acura marketing... There are a lot of reasons it wont come...

 

Red Acura badges? Didn't the DC2 have them? How much does it cost to buy some red Acura badges? $40 maybe? This is a reason the RSX-R is not coming? Right...

You mentioned the EPA certification before but what is the actual engine problem that you are referring to? As I said earlier, if the F20C is an LEV while making 20 less hp I fail to see how the RSX-R engine would fail emissions.

Respond in this post or the other one if you like.

 

tonydatyga sorry i though the word meant something, but i think if you look up again you will see the word fixed

BTW guys i know there is possibility the Type R wont come, but which do you choose to do: 1-Sit and do nothing or 2-Try to spend 5 mins to sign that page that might help in getting the Type R

I know it seem a waste of time, but i see no other way in getting the car, other than importing it personnaly and thats what i am going to do if the car doesnt arrive.
Just wanted to do something that can help any Type R dreamer and off course me !

 

The answer is $60-$70 for the Acura badges BTW.

Lets start out with some basic business class 101... First Honda is now run by bean counters. Second, if you did your research, you would know that Honda already had the colored acura badge designed as it has been coming on the NSX for a while. It was as simple as add red color to the back. I think some of the NSX ones came in red on specific color cars anyway. Third, the new DC5 badges are BIGGER than the old ones. The new NSX does NOT use these larger badges. Therefore they have to redesign the larger DC5 badge with the red coloring. Lets not even get into the RSX-R thing because that one is easy. Then there is the Acura logo. The new Honda one is stylized a bit more so the Acura one has to fit the RSX-R font. And they have to build that whole front badge assembly as well. Ok so now they have to spend money on these 4 badges for what? US and Canada? Where they ship all of how many? Maybe 2000 Rs a year total both places? You have to be joking. No way they are going to take that hit. They didnt make a killign selling the current R. Thats alot of design time, mold making, and applying for 2000 cars dont you think? Fact is that the old car was already an Integra. It was easy to do. The pieces were there and sourced from other places.

You can bolt all of the Type R parts into a type s motor... It doesnt make 220 HP. There is a reason for this. The head is a completly different design than the rest of the DC5 cars. And I mean COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. My friend took apart a JDM motor for this specific reason. This is the problem with it being built AS the DC5R. They were able to take liberties with it. The new head doesnt pass emisions. I have heard that a US legal DC5R makes all of a whoping 163HP!!!!! YEA HAW!!!!!!!

Any other questions?

 

Ok. im not going to make this long im just curious.. You said that they would have to re-design the honda badges for the RSX-R, but its not a rsx-r, its an integra type R. Why would they have to redisign a badge that is already made? Remember japan already has the integra type R over there and honda has already made the badge for that car. As for redisigining it, thats not going to happen. The rsx-s and the integra type R(rsx) are the same body style, remember?.. Why would honda make another badge for the same car? If the car every came over to the US, which I doubt, atleast until 2004, more then likely it would come under acura. The honda badges would still be on, but sold by acura. Thats just my opinion and.02 cents. hope it help. plus I was just curious..Good Luck..

 

Doent the badges on the care Read Integra Type R? Now why would Acura be selling an RSX Type S and then and Integra Type R?

The rear badge is just Type R i think... But the side still says Integra Type R. That needs to be redone.

 

Well pretty much the way the dc2 came. gs-r and integra type R. Regardless the integra is in a class of its own. There is no RSX-R only an integra type R. RSX-S and integra Type R are different.

 

You do understand that the RSX is the Integra and vice-versa right... Because you seem to be missing that point. Regardless of whats it called in Japan.. here that shape is the RSX. Therefore on the super ultra slim chance it comes it here, It will be the RSX-R. Not the Integra R.

Comsumer does not associate name with shape. They associate shape with name. The DC5 shape is associated to the RSX moniker.

 

Integra/RSX comparison:

*JDM DC5R:
2.0 I-VTEC=220hp (11.5:1 head piston compression)
220hp @ 8000 rpm
comes with knock sensors to adjust RON fuel maps
Brembo front brake system
recaro seats
17"rims (215/45/17) tires
HID lights
no sunroof
Type R spoilers and wing
suspension height: 1385 mm (JDM is the lowest DC5)
JDM Helical LSD
Chrome-molybdenum steel flywheel.
RHD (Right Hand Drive)
6MT
no cruise control
speedo meter speed shows 180km/h max
redline at 8400 rpm


*OZDM DC5R:
2.0 I-VTEC=200hp (11.0:1 head piston compression)
200hp @ 7400 rpm
normal brakes (no Brembo)
recaro seats
16" rims (225/50/16) tires
no HID lights
no sunroof
Type R spoilers and wing
suspension height: 1400 mm
JDM LSD
recommends 95 RON, but the car has knock sensors and will retune and work
with lower fuel grade that is still unleaded (lower grade doesn't mean
leaded fuel)
RHD (Right Hand Drive)
6MT
no cruise control
speedo meter speed shows 260km/h max
redline at 7900 rpm


*USDM DC5S:
2.0 I-VTEC=200hp (11.0:1 head piston compression)
200hp @ 7400 rpm
normal brakes (no Brembo)
16" rims (225/50/16) tires
no recaro seats (only normal seats)
no HID lights
sunroof
no Type R spoilers and wing (only kit that is JDM Integra IS body kit that
looks similar)
suspension height: 1400 mm
no LSD
recommends 95 RON, but the car has knock sensors and will retune and work
with lower fuel grade that is still unleaded (lower grade doesn't mean
leaded fuel)
LHD (Left Hand Drive).
6MT
standard cruise control
speedo meter speed shows 260km/h max
redline at 7900 rpm



[Modified by IntegraTypeR, 12:58 AM 7/3/2002]

 

Well if that is the point and you are basing the name on shape then why did the gs-r and integra type R come then? the gs-r and type r are the "same" shape but they have different names. The RSX is more based on luxury and the Type R is based on racing. To put the RSX with the type R would be dumb. The integra Type R is not know for "LUXURY", just racing. Why would honda/acura want to bring 2 seperate worlds together? By keeping them sepereate they would make more money. The RSX for luxury and the Type R for racing. But I dont know why people argue about this crap, chances are we wont see anything for atleast 2-3 years..

 

*OZDM DC5R:
2.0 I-VTEC=220hp <---- is that supposed to be the aussie Type R? If so they are 200hp not 220hp.

*USDM DC5S:
2.0 I-VTEC=220hp (11.0:1 head piston compression) <---- Sorry the Type S is 200hp not 220...only the JDM Type R is 220hp!!!

 

YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!!!!! The Integra GSR is supposed to be the Type S. Now the Type R was still an Integra. They didnt change the name when it came here. Now the GSR=Type S. Why would they still call the Type R an Integra? Why?

Have you ever seen the exact same car sold together at the same dealer, with a different model name for the same Chassis and shape? Maybe you can say M3, but its still says 3 as in 3 series. Maybe you can say Porsche... But comparing the ITR/RSX to a Porsche... you are out of your mind... People who shop Porsche KNOW what they want. People who shop Honda want what they saw in the mad tizite supa skeet y0!!!!! Dat be da Akera Type R y0!!!!

Why would Honda or Acura take your pick and sell the exact same car with 2 different names? Its never been done before and if it has... Its failed miserable because I dont remember it. Something like that I would remember since its trivial. Why do the name change to RSX? Whats the point in that? You forget that you and I are a different breed of people. We base cars on numbers. Most people buy them based on pretty colors and the nice shape. Acura is aiming at the Luxery lines of BMW and MB. They want out of the "rice" scene.

Here do this. Think with your sense of $$$$ instead of your right foot. Honda could care less about you or me. They want more $$$$. The R version makes too much of a cut into the S namesake and profit. Do you realize that this is the first year ever that a a Type R and a Type S will be available in Japan? The NSX comes both ways, but its still an NSX. Why would they change it in the RSX case?

 

Ok, here we go. When you asked
Yes. The gs-r and the integra Type R. Same shape and all, not sure on the chassis code but the same body style.

But in all I doubt the car will come here.So discussion over on this matter. Me, I plan to get integra type R(RSX) parts for my car. Maybe a turbo.. hhmm only time will tell. But good luck with the car guys..

 

That is some loopy logic. BADGES keeping the car from coming? BADGES? C'mon, dude. Do you expect anyone to believe you aren't kidding?

Look it:

The DC2R has what? A <u>HAND-BUILT</u> engine. BALANCED and "BLUEPRINTED". How much would you say that co$t$? And you're complaining about... the cost of BADGES? Hmm... then there's the non-too subtle BODY changes like sheetmetal doublers and removing some of the doublers on the floorpan. There are chassis braces front and rear. Then how much for the rear wing, special wheel bearings, different suspension tuning, plus the Recaro seats. I'd say that the current car is <u>ridiculously EASY</u> compared to the current DC2 platform. REALLY EASY...

No offense, Megatron, but I don't buy your analysis. Not at all.

If the car doesn't come and I suspect it won't it will be for other reasons: like the failing dollar and the soon-to-be massive financial collapse as "the correction" occurs. When the dollar falls 25% relative to foreign currency cars like the ITR are TOTALLY USELESS to the masses. And it's the masses that must have reliable, economical, frugal transportation. Car companies like Ferrari can keep chugging along with high-strung toys, but Honda, Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, GM and the other 'normal' producers will likely not take the risk. I understand, but I'm disappointed all the same.


[Modified by Chui, 6:43 PM 7/1/2002]


[Modified by Chui, 6:45 PM 7/1/2002]

 

You are looking at trim levels. The car was STILL called an Integra GSR and Integra Type R. The name Integra STILL remained constant.

 

There is more to it than just badges. Read the whole thread. There is the motor, cost issues, and then the badges. Look at how the car is sold else where around the world. Honda. They dont have to change badges. Back when the DC2R came out they didnt have to design any badges that didnt already exist. The red was just recolored from the NSX badge. Everything was sourced from other cars. Now you have a whole new car. The is bigger than the old car. The new NSX isnt using the colored badges and isnt using the larger setup yet. They have to design and color the larger badge. Also the name sake is different. What is known as the integra around the world is now the RSX here. They would need to design an RSX-R badge for this car. All of this extra design work for 2000 units? Its out there, but dont think the bean counters havent looked into it. Its an expensive process to sell an extra 2000 cars a year with minimal profit gain.



I already talked about the motor. Please read ALL of the posts before you try and post information. You also fail to realize that the DC2R motor was built off a US EPA legal motor. The DC5R motor was not.

Thats because you just read the last post, assumed that badges were my only reason where there are other issues about it and dont understand bean counting. If you did, you would see that designing 2000 badges for a minimal profit gain market isnt worth it.

 

If someone wants a good investment you can get the new IT-R's over here.

All you have to do is gather up a couple hundred thousand dollars, get a contract with a Japanese exporter, and an American Registered Importer or Independent Commercial Importer to have them to do conversions required by Customs, DOT and the EPA.

You're investing group would pretty much be the only owners of the "IT-R convertion plans." From this point on you could sell the plans to other companies and you would be the sole reason the IT-R's made it to the states, legally.

Jason-


[Modified by Jasons *for sale* TEG, 8:58 AM 7/2/2002]

 

i agree with megatron...for one cause he drives a black ITR ...and secondly hes MEGATRON...and can STOMp ya sTunNa ***.....j/k because .....honda is not reallly much about racing anymore...at least not in the US ...there more about financial gain...hey why wouldnt they be, they sell more car s here than anywere else, but they dont sell more race cars here...they sell more accords, and civic, oddesys...the commuter cars, for the mass public...thats were they make there money...there not really concerned with sending us race cars out of the box.. why do you think we got only one ITR ....we never got a CTR ....or Accord type R...or Prelude Type S.....why...because they would not make much profit, the only Type R that would make them much profit, if any was the Integra...., but the way the market is now, and how honda's values have changed considerably...i dont see any more Type R's coming to the US ...you'll have to live with the RSX-s

 

 

WRCivicsSiandEX thanks for correcting me. I know that both OZDM and USDM versions are 200HP and the JDM is only 220HP, but i was typing so fast that day i typed it incorrectly. hmmm i guess i was on crack that day