aftermarket hids?
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aftermarket hids?
i wanted to get brighter hids. anyone know what im supposed to do? do we have to get a whole new kit? or just bulbs? and any opinions on good aftermarket hids?
Re: aftermarket hids? (melsun_ap1)
i dont think different bulbs will make it brighter, but rather that the color of your light output would be different. if your light is dulling it may be that your ballast/bulb are ready to go out.
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Re: aftermarket hids? (dagle)
Anything over 4300K may look brighter in color but it actually puts out less light.
4300K OEM is just about the brightest you can get.
Please don't become a ricer and yearn for more blue or purple in your HIDs.
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4300K = 3200 lumens (similar to sunlight!)
6000K = 20% less light compared to the 4100K @ 3000 lumens.
Degrees K = COLOR ONLY | Lumen= BRIGHTNESS
4300K OEM is just about the brightest you can get.
Please don't become a ricer and yearn for more blue or purple in your HIDs.
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4300K = 3200 lumens (similar to sunlight!)
6000K = 20% less light compared to the 4100K @ 3000 lumens.
Degrees K = COLOR ONLY | Lumen= BRIGHTNESS
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Re: aftermarket hids? (melsun_ap1)
You must be kidding right?
There are only 2 types of HID bulbs...
D2S: The ones with a projector housing (the ones our cars use)
D2R: The ones with a reflective housing (ie: Acura CL)
Replacement bulbs can cost from $150-$200 range for a pair.
H1s are used in Honda Civics, etc... Also used for replacement bulbs in fog lights.
Did you know that the more hours we use our HIDs at night, the "blue'r" it gets, thus fading in light output?
There are only 2 types of HID bulbs...
D2S: The ones with a projector housing (the ones our cars use)
D2R: The ones with a reflective housing (ie: Acura CL)
Replacement bulbs can cost from $150-$200 range for a pair.
H1s are used in Honda Civics, etc... Also used for replacement bulbs in fog lights.
Did you know that the more hours we use our HIDs at night, the "blue'r" it gets, thus fading in light output?
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Re: aftermarket hids? (NightRiderS2K)
**** man u know ur bulbs dont u? but do you know anything bout grass? jk good thing i read the thread i was wonderin bout that....not replacing just the specs. 
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Re: aftermarket hids? (s24yopunka55)
I'm just technical like that (I also did my research with HIDs a while back).
All I know about grass is that the 'grass is always greener on the other side of the fence'
All I know about grass is that the 'grass is always greener on the other side of the fence'
Re: aftermarket hids? (NightRiderS2K)
yeah, i didn't read in that much detail but im about to do retrofit work for the prelude, (been lazy) so i read about the output + meaning of the different temps.
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?
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Re: aftermarket hids? (NightRiderS2K)
yeah that may be true and i hope that ur no talking bout being on the other side of the fence. i was just quoting the starsky and hutch movie with the snoop dogg seen....he was talkin bout how much he knows bout grass....nevermind.
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Re: aftermarket hids? (dagle)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dagle »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, i didn't read in that much detail but im about to do retrofit work for the prelude, (been lazy) so i read about the output + meaning of the different temps.
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?</TD></TR></TABLE>
AFAIK, anything that isn't D2S or D2R is just rebased. All OEM HID's for any make should be D2S or D2R.
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?</TD></TR></TABLE>
AFAIK, anything that isn't D2S or D2R is just rebased. All OEM HID's for any make should be D2S or D2R.
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Re: aftermarket hids? (Project22a)
Why would you tamper with the OEM HIDs? If its not broke... don't fix it. To this day, the Xenon HIDs on S2000s are one of the best on the market.
It must be for other people to see your HIDs, and not for you to see...
It must be for other people to see your HIDs, and not for you to see...
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Re: aftermarket hids? (s24yopunka55)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by s24yopunka55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah that may be true and i hope that ur no talking bout being on the other side of the fence. i was just quoting the starsky and hutch movie with the snoop dogg seen....he was talkin bout how much he knows bout grass....nevermind. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Never seen that movie. I should. Anyways... You are talking about 'that grass'... Ahhh I see.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dagle »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, i didn't read in that much detail but im about to do retrofit work for the prelude, (been lazy) so i read about the output + meaning of the different temps.
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?</TD></TR></TABLE>
H4H = halogen bulbs
</TD></TR></TABLE>Never seen that movie. I should. Anyways... You are talking about 'that grass'... Ahhh I see.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dagle »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, i didn't read in that much detail but im about to do retrofit work for the prelude, (been lazy) so i read about the output + meaning of the different temps.
I think there are more types of HIDs, but not for oem honda/acura. I think it is lexus with the H4H?</TD></TR></TABLE>
H4H = halogen bulbs
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Not to burst NightRider's buble but 4300 is not the brightess HID they make. It is true that the higher temp you get the less light output but it works the other way too, the lower you go the more. The lowest I've seen sold is 3000k which is yellow and not white with a yellow tint, but YELLOW as the sun. A guy locally had them in his black s2k and they looked good.
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Originally Posted by If you would really like to be more technical about this
Here is a guide of what the Kelvin (K numbers) mean for those who do not have a clue. Kelvin is a measure of temperature and determines the colour temperature of light. You can use a chart like the one below to see what temperature will produce a particular colour of light.
It is generally considered that temperatures between 5000K and 5500K (the colour of light at noon-daytime) will produce the whitest light and almost the most light output (lumens). A blue light will be between 6000K and 8000K and thereafter will begin to look purple. 12000K-14000 will look purple. Some companies manufacture 30000K bulbs and at that point the light will look almost pink
. Please keep in mind that the further away you get from the 4300K mark the less light output there will be. Most OEM factory HID systems use 4300K to 4500K bulbs but it is the reflector or projection lens that causes the light to vary in colours from slightly yellow all the way to purple.
It is generally considered that temperatures between 5000K and 5500K (the colour of light at noon-daytime) will produce the whitest light and almost the most light output (lumens). A blue light will be between 6000K and 8000K and thereafter will begin to look purple. 12000K-14000 will look purple. Some companies manufacture 30000K bulbs and at that point the light will look almost pink
. Please keep in mind that the further away you get from the 4300K mark the less light output there will be. Most OEM factory HID systems use 4300K to 4500K bulbs but it is the reflector or projection lens that causes the light to vary in colours from slightly yellow all the way to purple.
Bulb manufacturers such as Philips sell 4100K replacement bulbs.
I found some for $78.99/pair + shipping
>>> http://www.hidplanet.com/philips4100k.html
For comparison, most halogen headlights have a color temperature around 3200K which gives them a "dingy" yellowish appearance compared to HID's.
Initially from the factory, 4300K HID bulbs may have a "yellow tint" to it as it has not had a "colour shift" which occurs after about 100 hours of usage. It will then become brighter and much closer to sunlight in light output. After several hundred hours of usage, the bulbs will surpass 6000K and from there begin to fade in light output, but have more of that 'bluish' hue. OEM HID bulbs have a lifespan of 3000 hours and at some instances last longer than the car itself.
- NightRiderS2k
Originally Posted by I found this floating on the net
Blue light is more fatiguing to the eyes, both to oncoming traffic and to the driver. Oncoming cars will see your lights for only a brief time, but as the driver, you must deal with it for the duration of your drive. The bluer the tint cast on the road and surrounding area, the more quickly your eyes become tired. It's a personal choice and I recognize and respect that some install HID's mostly for the look. However, very blue headlights might get you the wrong kind of attention from law enforcement. Personally, I'd like to benefit from my investment in the way of increased visibility and safety. Be aware that most of the 6500K and higher bulbs are produced by inferior manufacturers to capitalize on the maketability of "the bigger number must be better". Their 8000K bulbs may not measure 8000K. Don't be fooled.
<FONT SIZE="3">P.S. > SUNLIGHT IS NOT YELLOW. IT IS WHITE LIGHT!</FONT>
We think that white has no color, but that is not true. One way to see this is to shine white light through water or a prism. When white light shines through water, it makes a rainbow. The water breaks apart the color of white so we see all the colors of the rainbow. We call these colors the visible light spectrum.
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Re: aftermarket hids? (ABCVTEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ABCVTEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why would you tamper with the OEM HIDs? If its not broke... don't fix it. To this day, the Xenon HIDs on S2000s are one of the best on the market.
It must be for other people to see your HIDs, and not for you to see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree with you 100%. If someone is having a hard time seeing with the S2000 HID, then you need to see an eye doctor, not try to get more light. If someone really needs more light, just turn your high beams on. You're really not going to get any more light without hindered other drivers, and the high-beams are already installed, so have fun avoiding those people you are blinding.
It must be for other people to see your HIDs, and not for you to see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree with you 100%. If someone is having a hard time seeing with the S2000 HID, then you need to see an eye doctor, not try to get more light. If someone really needs more light, just turn your high beams on. You're really not going to get any more light without hindered other drivers, and the high-beams are already installed, so have fun avoiding those people you are blinding.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by envee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to burst NightRider's buble but 4300 is not the brightess HID they make. It is true that the higher temp you get the less light output but it works the other way too, the lower you go the more. The lowest I've seen sold is 3000k which is yellow and not white with a yellow tint, but YELLOW as the sun. A guy locally had them in his black s2k and they looked good.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I was thinking of going 3000k bulbs. Cause I do love yellow with black. But I gotta see it in person.
I was thinking of going 3000k bulbs. Cause I do love yellow with black. But I gotta see it in person.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by envee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not to burst NightRider's buble but 4300 is not the brightess HID they make. It is true that the higher temp you get the less light output but it works the other way too, the lower you go the more. The lowest I've seen sold is 3000k which is yellow and not white with a yellow tint, but YELLOW as the sun. A guy locally had them in his black s2k and they looked good.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry, this is incorrect. The brightest HID bulb is going to be a standard D2S ~4250K bulb from Philips or Osram, with a rated output of 3200 lumens.
Any bulb with a coating is going to have reduced output, including 3000K yellow HID bulbs, and any 6000K and higher blue-coated HID bulbs.
Philips Ultinon 6000K does not have any sort of coating on the glass, but its output is around 2400 lumens (25% less than standard 4300K D2S bulbs).
Also, D2S and D2R bulbs are just one type of HID bulb, with a D2 base. There are also D1S and D1R bulbs which have an integrated ignitor on the bulb base, and then D3 and D4 bulbs which are mercury-free HID bulbs, but these are not compatible with D2 ballasts.
And as was mentioned, why would anyone need or want brighter headlights on an S2000? If your car is more than a couple of years old, you could just put new 4300K D2S bulbs in there, which will yield significantly more light output. The only other way to increase light output would be to switch to 50W ballasts, but these have a pretty severe impact on bulb life, and IMHO are major overkill. They probably put alot of extra strain on the vehicle's electrical system, especially when the ballasts first start up.
Couple of reference links for factual HID information:
In our own Lighting forum here on Honda-Tech:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1768060
And the widely-known Automotive Lighting FAQ:
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/
Sorry, this is incorrect. The brightest HID bulb is going to be a standard D2S ~4250K bulb from Philips or Osram, with a rated output of 3200 lumens.
Any bulb with a coating is going to have reduced output, including 3000K yellow HID bulbs, and any 6000K and higher blue-coated HID bulbs.
Philips Ultinon 6000K does not have any sort of coating on the glass, but its output is around 2400 lumens (25% less than standard 4300K D2S bulbs).
Also, D2S and D2R bulbs are just one type of HID bulb, with a D2 base. There are also D1S and D1R bulbs which have an integrated ignitor on the bulb base, and then D3 and D4 bulbs which are mercury-free HID bulbs, but these are not compatible with D2 ballasts.
And as was mentioned, why would anyone need or want brighter headlights on an S2000? If your car is more than a couple of years old, you could just put new 4300K D2S bulbs in there, which will yield significantly more light output. The only other way to increase light output would be to switch to 50W ballasts, but these have a pretty severe impact on bulb life, and IMHO are major overkill. They probably put alot of extra strain on the vehicle's electrical system, especially when the ballasts first start up.
Couple of reference links for factual HID information:
In our own Lighting forum here on Honda-Tech:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1768060
And the widely-known Automotive Lighting FAQ:
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/
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