Got some Koni Yellow SP3;s (20 mm shorter) and was going to ordersome extended top hats. i have heard fro some that with the strut itself being shorter and then adding a top hat are nto a good combo.

can anybody shead some light on this?

thanks

 

SP3 as in the "Neuspeed" Konis with the five circlip grooves, correct? Not the SPSS3-valved 8041-RACE Konis?

I don't personally recommend it with the Koni 8041-RACE dampers because I feel that it limits droop too much. The 8041-RACE fronts have 25mm shorter bodies and 40mm more droop limiter, while the rears have 15mm shorter bodies and 35mm more droop limiter.

The SP3 "Neuspeed" Konis have 20mm extra droop limiter with the same body lengths as the regular 8041-Sports. I don't think it would be a problem at all to use them with the Ground Control extended upper mounts.

 

I must have misunderstood you when I asked this earlier. So it should be fine with the 'neuspeed' konis but not the RACE ones.

 

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I think so, but I have not tested it. The additional 20mm reduction in droop shouldn't make a difference, at least not for the average street driven car.

I really don't see any point in using the SP3 "Neuspeed" dampers over a regular 8041-Sport though.

 

Well from the prices on weaksauceparts.com there is only a $30 difference between the sports and the neuspeeds, plus the neuspeeds get free shipping.

 

The 20-mm shorter shaft gives 20-mm more internal compression travel, which would help prevent the shaft from bottoming out inside the shock body.

That combined with the GC top hats would yield about 45-mm, or nearly 2 inches, less droop travel. Not sure if that's good or bad.

 

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The shaft of the SP3 is the same length as in the 8041-Sport. The difference is that the SP3 has 20mm more droop limiter material inside the shock body.

 

it all depends on how much your car is lowered really.
its going to be different for everyone, and when you lower the car to ride height, you should measure how much bump travel is left in the dampers.
that number and the total travel of the dampers will tell you whether or not an extended top hat is needed. shorter this and longer that wont give you a solid answer as everything depends on how much the car is lowered.

 

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The shaft of the SP3 is the same length as in the 8041-Sport. The difference is that the SP3 has 20mm more droop limiter material inside the shock body.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought the SP3's allowed 20mm more compression travel. Is this not the case?

 

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No.

 

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I thought the SP3's allowed 20mm more compression travel. Is this not the case?</TD></TR></TABLE>

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=419957

 

oh lol I actually posted in that thread! Guess my non-reading (or non-memory) ownz me haha

 

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well it was a long time ago ...I kep trying not to look on dates on those old topics or I feel old lol

 

I was wondering the same thing. I am about to pick up some GC/Konis and can't seem to decide what is best for me.

My Integra will see street, autox and hpde use now and just autox/hpde use down the road... I will be running 225/45-15 Toyo R888 and I am thinking of going with 350/450 spring rates for now to keep things streetable and get some stiffer springs once it leaves the street. I don't want to be slammed, maybe a 1/2-3/4" drop. I also have a GSR front sway and JDM ITR 23mm rear sway.

I don't feel like drilling out my stock top hats so I was planning on getting the GC top hats along with everything, so I'm leaning towards regular Sports vs SP3's to avoid preloading the springs... My question is with the top hats and regular Sport shocks, will the GC spring be fully seated even at full droop? Would I need a helper spring at all?

Edit: I was just reading the Koni install instructions, it seems you only have to drill the dust cover? On my S2000 we have metal inserts fused to the top hat bushings (not the tube that koni replaces, it's a washer that's fused to the bushing) that we have to drill and it's a PITA. I guess this isn't the case with DC2/4's? If it isn't, I should be good to go SP3 Koni's, 350/450 (or 350/400) GC's and stock tophats, right?

 

I asked a very similiar question about a month ago (https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/help-suspension-travel-2476552/). My original questions was about droop travel. Anyway Patrick pointed out that Neuspeed Koni's have a 20mm shorter shaft according to their catalog (http://www.neuspeed.com/catalog/1Suspension.pdf Page 9) Now this is contrary to what I've been able to find on Honda-Tech.