i've come to the conclusion that a civic coupe or hatchback exhaust wont directly fit on a del sol.. Apexi doesnt make the N1 exhaust to directly fit a del sol, so which should i buy, a cat back system for a 3dr or a coupe? which would be less "custom" work?

 

wing it?

 

IF you want Apexi N1 on a del sol your gonna have to buy the can and get one of your local muffler shops to make you some piping.my shop does work for me fairly cheap , but average ur probably looking at 85 to 125 for the piping and putting the exhaust can up there. so thats the route ur gonna have to go for apexi n1 , i used to have one and loved it. Just do that cuse nothing is wrong with custom piping.

 

just make sure to ask for mandrel bent piping

 

its hard to find muffler shopswith mandrel bend piping, thats the reason it cost more cuse those machines cost more. not many shops can affordone. most places ur gonna find have an E Z BENDER. which nothing is wrong with them. depending on the bend ur not gonna really notice the difference

 

just get a welder, and learn how to use it, do all your own custom work, then youll be cool

 

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then they should still be able to get mandrel bent U bends and make you an exhaust out of that, or do it the old school way, cut weld, cut weld etc...

 

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pretty much, order the exhuast, line up the muffler where you want it.

tack the hangers to the body, but the flange and stright pipe off it and puzzle it..............just use simple tacks.........you should be able to teach yourself wire feed in less than 2 hours.......and be pretty fvcking decent with it.........................itll look like crap but it will hold..............

 

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pretty much, order the exhuast, line up the muffler where you want it.

tack the hangers to the body, but the flange and stright pipe off it and puzzle it..............just use simple tacks.........you should be able to teach yourself wire feed in less than 2 hours.......and be pretty fvcking decent with it.........................itll look like crap but it will hold..............</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree..

 

ok, this goes to alllll of you, except the OP 2wheel
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1. Just get a welder and do it yourself? wow do you have 3 grand to throw into a mig welder cuse if you do then your lucky.
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pretty much, order the exhuast, line up the muffler where you want it.

tack the hangers to the body, but the flange and stright pipe off it and puzzle it..............just use simple tacks.........you should be able to teach yourself wire feed in less than 2 hours.......and be pretty fvcking decent with it.........................itll look like crap but it will hold..............</TD></TR></TABLE>
2. just order the piping and fit it up there? Apexi doesnt make the piping and your not going to find good piping made for the car without another exhaust already on it which he may as well just pay a muffler shop to do it.
even if your talking about just using the stock piping and fitting the muffler up there number one tack welds wont hold for long and they DEFF. wont seal and this once again requires you to buy a welder again..... NOT EASY. Butt thats cool i guess
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then they should still be able to get mandrel bent U bends and make you an exhaust out of that, or do it the old school way, cut weld, cut weld etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>
3. Have a muffler shop order mandrel bends? no muffler shop is going to do that. they will recommend their work and say its just as good as mandrel bend just depends on the degree of the bend and the performance difference is unnoticable which is correct. Plus you can only get bends in such a way. your gonna need a certain bend they dont offer.

Or just cutt weld cutt weld cutt weld? the more cutt in the piping the worse it is. just more seems for you to get a leak thru and it will happen. the less cutts the better. most muffler shops...... most good muffler shops will try to use one pipe for the whole thing if they can. sometimes they cant.


Just get your apexi exhaust muffler which you can get for a decent 200 to 240 brand new. and pay a muffler shop to either use ur stock pipes which is a crap job but is cheap, they will put a reducer on your muffler to fit the piping and weld it on for about 20 bucks. or pay for bigger piping to for about 85 - 115.00. 200+ 115 = 315.00!!!! Check out an Apexi catback exhaust system, they go for about 440 to about 480.00!! you will save money


Modified by LowProSi at 4:03 AM 12/28/2007

 

a MIG doesnt cost NEARLY that much, thats more than a VER VERY good TIG. and close to the range of a plasma cut/welder

order the apexi exhaust and cut up, take their flange bolt it to the cat, hang the muffler where you cant it, expletiveing keep cutting the exhust up until it fits where you want it. why would we tell him to order an exhuast that doesnt fit then tell him to install it? tack it to mock it up..........what idiot puts 3 or 4 tacks in an exhuast and has a beveled GAP in 4 difrrent spots in about 2 inches length.......maybe you becuase you cannot WELD................no **** tack welds don't hold up what do you think they are for?????? so you can expletiveING break them if its wrong!!!!!!!!! 4

most muffler shops have mandrel o pipes to fab from. if not they are a crappy cheap *** shop that don't deserve to touch an electrode.

not tru a good respectable welder can make non porus welds very easily unless you have a contaminated work, bad ground, or just shoddy skill

muffler shops want 1 pipe becuase welding wire, tips, argon and electricty cost money, if they can do a single stright pipe on a car itll save them alot of money not to mention madrel bends are'nt cheap. if they can't tack together a simple 2.5" pipe to a muffler, they don't belong in the bussiness

that is a crappy idea/no gains will be seen and is equivelent to him tacking a fart can to his current exhuast.

im not going to even mention simple welding techniques to you, becuase you really don't know how to weld so ill let you continue to assume.


FYI: tack welds = mock up welds so you still can break them before going in to run the full bead
bead: - what YOU see and think of as a weld.

and the old skool mandrels are actually pretty common, and work well.........go to hommade turbo its what most people will skill (something honda tech seems to lackk) and inguniuty ( what honda-tech seems to lack again) do..................

 

I was simply giving him options buddy. And once again apexi doesnt make exhaust for his car. and it was a typo sorry buddy for a mig cutter and windings and extra tools yes. how you expect him to bend piping at home? why would u shell out 440 for a nice piece of exhaust and hack it up. just take it to a shop. and i wasnt telling him to jsut putt a can on stock exhaust. some people just want sound and look so i put that option out there. chill buddy

Yes muffler shops have mandrel bends but not every bend they need. just so happens maybe they will be able to use one.

Im not trying to fight with you just giving him information.

All you said before was tack it up , so it made it sound like u just were telling him to tack weld and thats it. and no i dont have a welder cuse i can get my stuff done at my buddys shop and use it myself if i want. Nobody is questiong your crediblity there buddy.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LowProSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was simply giving him options buddy. And once again apexi doesnt make exhaust for his car. and it was a typo sorry buddy for a mig cutter and windings and extra tools yes. how you expect him to bend piping at home? why would u shell out 440 for a nice piece of exhaust and hack it up. just take it to a shop. and i wasnt telling him to jsut putt a can on stock exhaust. some people just want sound and look so i put that option out there. chill buddy

Yes muffler shops have mandrel bends but not every bend they need. just so happens maybe they will be able to use one.

Im not trying to fight with you just giving him information.

All you said before was tack it up , so it made it sound like u just were telling him to tack weld and thats it. and no i dont have a welder cuse i can get my stuff done at my buddys shop and use it myself if i want. Nobody is questiong your crediblity there buddy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i knew you'd pull the tool argument............srlsy? 3k for a MIG...............i'll expletiveing tell you right now i spent no where near 3 k on the 4 expletiveing welders i have in my garage................hobart stick mate, harbor freight $88 120v beater, licoln electric xmas gift. and a non functioing buzz box, have gas, tools, wire spools, rods, chi[pping hammers, wire brushes, grinders etc ALL of that STILL doesnt get me 3k........ CLEARLY you have never held a welder/seen a welder or even used one in your life...........

 

^ oh ya and installing those 230V plugs STILL didnt even get me in your range.........you mentioned it'd cost him FOR ONE welder.............................and people carge hefty prices for jobs tday since less and less people have that skill.

so you repatadly telling him to take it to a shop...........you assume the shop won't charge him much but in raeality he is looking at over $550 the cost of a welder, small tank of c02/argon mix, a few tips, and a spool. all he needs is a hood, AD might help him so he can see bechuase he is not use to the old skool hood, and myabe a jacket......but if he isnt a ***** and he lets those sparks hit him in the arm and he won't flinch.......where most people do it now........he doesnt even need to wear a sweatshirt...

 

this is a hobart tigmate, the A/c setting is for aluminum, argon is usally $100-$150 for a tank, you can upgrade to a hf and water cooled torch but most won't need it..........

this is what most ricers/uneducated people call the ONLY type of welding that matters (you do not know how wrong that sentence is.......................)

this unit is less than $1500 with free shipping from notrhern which is a dealer for hobart (same as miller) so this IS A NIIIICE welder............it's at ONLY HALF of what you estimated a MIG to be
so that is how stupid you orignal post sounded to me

 

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im sure hes going to drop a few grand on a welder just so he can have his exhaust fit his car that will cost only a couple hundred - i swear, some people just HAVE to say some stupid, ignorant **** to try and be funny. retard.

 

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im sure hes going to drop a few grand on a welder just so he can have his exhaust fit his car that will cost only a couple hundred - i swear, some people just HAVE to say some stupid, ignorant **** to try and be funny. retard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DID YOU NOT READ WHAT THE expletive I POSTED??????????????????????

 

i don't recommend this but this is the absoulte cheapest way to do it, make sure you get mild steel

http://www2.northerntool.com/product/200304603.htm



+ e-6013


+ cheap *** hood

strike 45* angle, move to 90 weave pattern.........a monkey can weld with 6013

 

lol which novel of a post??? no i didnt and sorry all the welders ive seen in shops that my friends work at are pretty damn expensive

 

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i give UP loL..........OP ill weld you an exhuast ill do it for half price of the shop as long as you get me the materials,shielding gas and substance of life (food-cigs-beer)

 

hey im not doubting you dude - in this case i guess im the ignorant one cause i didnt know they were that cheap

 

or you can order from kteller. you pretty much let them know what size piping, vehicle and muffler you want

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1396736

 

Why not just say "screw the N1" for now and buy a diffferent one that has a direct fit on a Sol?

I had an N1 on my civic after I took it off my (at the time) g/f's car because she was was getting too many tickets....then I was getting too many tickets with it. The N1 will make you spend more money on tickets, trust me on that one .

Though I'm sure you can find a similar exhaust that'll fit a del sol.

 

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i knew you'd pull the tool argument............srlsy? 3k for a MIG...............i'll expletiveing tell you right now i spent no where near 3 k on the 4 expletiveing welders i have in my garage................hobart stick mate, harbor freight $88 120v beater, licoln electric xmas gift. and a non functioing buzz box, have gas, tools, wire spools, rods, chi[pping hammers, wire brushes, grinders etc ALL of that STILL doesnt get me 3k........ CLEARLY you have never held a welder/seen a welder or even used one in your life...........</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well im sorry im going off what he told me. and as i said and corrected it was 2 grand not three. no i do not own a welder nor do i take classes for it. i simply go up to the shop and help him with different jobs. so yes i do know somewhat what im doing but im not a sales person for every damn machine out there sorry and he didnt have the one u were stating a little bit better. i havent been to the shop in a while so the name of his slips my mind.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic.slow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't recommend this but this is the absoulte cheapest way to do it, make sure you get mild steel

http://www2.northerntool.com/product/200304603.htm



+ e-6013


+ cheap *** hood

strike 45* angle, move to 90 weave pattern.........a monkey can weld with 6013

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I know u can go with things like this and u dont have to spend huge amounts of money but i have also seen the work that comes from these at my friends garage....BUT its also a chance that he wasnt very good. kept getting leaks.

Im not shitting on what your saying . like i said im just telling you what i was told, and i dont see him having a reason to lie. he has another welder in the back maybe that was included in the two grand he didnt say. ok/