I have recently put a 14b on my b16.. it was of course used and pretty much free and im guessing it is on its way out.. I have not had the car tuned yet other than the crome base map I made.. nor have I run it hard at all. I made a trip home for Christmas and apparently something happened during the trip. Going 70mph I didnt notice the smoke coming from my catch can. It wasnt until I got there that i noticed. I have had minor smoke coming from it but not like this. also my catch can filled with oil. No sign of water in the oil.. so its not the head gasket... the exhaust is smoking a bit but no more smoke than has been coming from the exhaust since the install and not enough that you can even see it while in the car. But tons of smoke coming from the valve cover as well as the crank case until it warms up and then id say it cuts in half but still smoking. I am guessing the seals in the turbo are just fried.. it doesnt even spin at idle.. i am guessing oil is seeping by the seals and burning inside and the smoke in the crankcase is getting there through the oil return line. i am in search of a replacement 14b or 16g right now and im hoping that will solve my problems.. any insight?

 

would you suggest rebuilding the turbo or getting a new one?

 

Usually when a turbo is shot (seals) you will experience smoke out of the exhaust more so than the breather/pcv system.

Complete a leakdown & compression test on the motor.

 

smoke coming from inside the motor = gasses getting passed your rings.

 

true dat

 

Im gettin off work in a bit and im gonna compression test it.. hopefully thats not the problem but im feeling like that has to be the problem. time for some GE's and eagles i guess. EXPLETIVE!!!

 

do a leakdown test that will give you more information

heres a link... http://www.xs11.com/tips/misc/misc3.shtml

 

you might as well upgrade your turbo while your at it. That 14b cant be fun on that motor

 

i never really got to play much.. and obviously my basemap was not right.. the 14b was only suppose to be a temporary.. i was going to upgrade in a month or so but it looks like ill be spending money of pistons and rods now... dang thing never saw above 6k or more than 8psi since i put the turbo on. it just seems weird to me that im not smoking from the exhaust but like a chimney from the crankcase!

 

Long distance trip on a basemap? lolz

 

I have a lil bit of smoke coming out of mine when i first start it up.......... hmmmmm..........

 

i wouldnt call 80 miles long distance exactly and its not like im running in boost crusizing..

 

if it was rings wouldnt I be burning oil and it coming from the exhaust? i have not gotten to comp test it yet but it just seems odd to me that its only coming from the crank case... it dosnt really smell like oil burning either. Too dark after work ill be checkin it out in the morning.

If anyone in or around NC, USA has a beater car or truck they are trying to get rid of between $500-$800 LET ME KNOW!

 

i dont think you understand... the smoke you see from your catch can isnt OIL SMOKE(well hell it could be... i havnt seen it smoking myself but from what you describe its not oil)... its the smoke your car created when combustion takes place inside your cylinders. it squeezes by the rings (called blow-by) and out your catch can.

your oil rings are prolly still good enough to keep the oil out of your cylinders.

like i said... DO A LEAKDOWN TEST

 

small update.. ive taken the head off and from what i can see i dont see any major damage yet.. I was going to take out the pistons today but turns out im not going to have the time so hopefully tomorrow. I am crossing my fingers its just the rings and the ringlands are ok and i wont have to replace the pistons right now. i cant really afford it for another month.. no point in putting new oems back in there. I have a line on a 98 CRV for $500 with a "new motor" im going to check out.. could knock out 2 birds with one stone. b20vtec turbo for the hatch.. and b16 in the crv for the beater car.. little AWD vtec action.. ive still got the dc 4-1 i can throw on there too =P anyways ill update once the pistons are out. ill have some pics then too.

 

well that progressed fast. haha. did you even do a compression test?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kyden &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well that progressed fast. haha. did you even do a compression test?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah what were the comp test results?

 

A fine "misty" smoke is common on a healthy motor. A stream of smoke larger than before is most likely a cracked ringland. Ask me how i know

 

i did compression test it.. cylinder's one and four were under 100 while two and three were just below 180.. pulled the pistons this morning and sure enough the ringlands on one and four were screwed. I will get up some pics soon I realized my camera battery was dead when I went to take pics. So new pistons and rods for me. Now to decide what to get.. Im waiting to hear back about the CRV before I decide what im going to do. If i can get the CRV im going to buy oem pr3's and put the b16 back to stock and put it in the CRV and let the civic sit for a bit while i get the b20 sleeved and get some JE's and eagles in it and locate another vtec head. If it doesnt work out that way i suppose ill just be building the b16 bottom end with JE's and eagles at the end of the month. What sleeves are recomended these days for either the b16 or the b20?

 

a b16 in a crv? i cant even imagine how slow that thing would be

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ShortbusEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">small update.. ive taken the head off and from what i can see i dont see any major damage yet.. I was going to take out the pistons today but turns out im not going to have the time so hopefully tomorrow. I am crossing my fingers its just the rings and the ringlands are ok and i wont have to replace the pistons right now. i cant really afford it for another month.. no point in putting new oems back in there. I have a line on a 98 CRV for $500 with a "new motor" im going to check out.. could knock out 2 birds with one stone. b20vtec turbo for the hatch.. and b16 in the crv for the beater car.. little AWD vtec action.. ive still got the dc 4-1 i can throw on there too =P anyways ill update once the pistons are out. ill have some pics then too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Haha it would have been slow.. but dont need power in a beater car.. the CRV did not work out so I guess ill be putting new pistons and rods into the b16 in a few weeks. anyways I finally took a pic of the broken ringlands on piston 4 and piston 1 looks the same. I am in the market for a beater car around $500 so if anyone in or around NC has anything let me know!

 

a comp. test will only tell you that your compression rings are good... you can have great comp. but the oil rings are shot...... my brand new motor i had some engine builder, build was throwing smoke out the exhaust like it was made to do that... compression test was fine.... come to find out that he bored my motor wrong and now i have to get oversized pistons..

so if you have good compression... your oil rings can still be screwed..

 

turned out after takin it apart the the rings were fine it was the ringlands that were screwed. Prepping the block to be sleeved.. the build should be fun

 

cool you figured it out. you should do a DIY build thread if you try to do it on your own.

 

I am for sure going to start one up once the block comes back from sleeving