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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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My car is a 93 si on h&r race springs with agx shocks.
the driver side looks normal but the passenger side has positive camber.
The top of the wheel stcks out lil more then the bottom
I'm not sure if it was there before the drop since I got it used. I took it to a small
shop foe an alignment and it still looks the same.
I was not sure if it was a bent part or if I should take it to a different shop
before I put on my coilovers? What part of parts would cause this??
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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something must be bent. there is no way you should have positive camber with race springs installed. it should have allot of negative camber on both sides.

double check the installation of your suspension components and make sure everything lines up and is not binding etc...
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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I did not notice anything bent with the naked eye. But I'll recheck. Would it be from a lower upper or a tie rod?
Would an alignment shop be able to tell me whats bent or not??
The one I had took it to before said nothing at all.
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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a tie rod wouldnt do that they control toe in or out. its looks like maybe you got a bent control arm thats y u got a crazy *** camber rite now. and most shops wont do alignments on lower cars espcially camber dey will only do toe. unless u have a aftermarker control arms
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:12 PM
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didnt you get a spec sheet with the alignment you got?
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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nope no spec sheet
its only on one wheel that pokes out a lil on top, I'm starting to think it may have an integra knuckle, lower or upper control arm on it.
I read one may slightly longer then the other. But I am not sure how to i.d. Which is civic or which is integra.
I searched but no results for how to tell on a heads up comparison.
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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WTF what kind of shop doesn't give a spec sheet?
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Old Dec 21, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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a small local shop. Alot don't do alignments on lowered cars.
*shrugs*
But the main problem is ID'ing the difference in the UCA & front LCA between civic and integra
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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Ok I had the car on jack stands with the two front whhels off. The pass side was a little bit lower then the driver side. I measured parts which were the same. ????
I'll guess I'll take it to a different alignment shop and see
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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ok went to a shop today and
camber results are:
driver side -1/8
pass side +1/4

and this is on red h&r race springs with agx shocks.
the guy said the spindle could be a little bent.

so ill be replacing them. if anybady selling local ny let me know
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 05:45 PM
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the knuckles should be obvious if they are the same or not. integra nad civic knuckles are the same anyway.

so if they are the same, then yeah, obviously something is MAJORLY bent. and probably more than jsut the knuckle. id check and measure the length of the control arms.

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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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i measured and they are both the same length
the casting numbers on the control arms are
Sr R 14N / SR L 14N i dont know what they are from
the rotors are 10.3

i will re measure the control arms tomorrow
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Old Dec 22, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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the casting marks are the same other than marking left and right, obviously. so theyre not different.

they could still be bent, as well as upper or lower control arms or the subframe.
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 05:10 AM
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raining in ny today
im looking to replace the front lower control arms first then when i find someone selling set of complete knuckles i change those
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Old Dec 23, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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ok i think i might have found the problem. when people say they put gsr/integra breakes on their civic , they swap the integra parts onto their civic knuckles.

meaning if you bolt the 94-01 integra knuckles onto the eg civics it throws off the symmetry/camber of the wheels???
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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no, because EG and 94+ integras have the same knuckles and LCA and UCA and even suspension. (geometry at least).

and it doesnt solve the issue that one side has positive camber because BOTH sides are the same TYPE of knuckles, even if they are different.

somethings bent.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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yeah, i changed the front lower control arm today and still looks pretty much the same. found some 96 gsr knuckles on the bay and they get here on jan third so soon as they get here ill put them on.

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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92-95 Civic and 94-01 Integras all have identical front suspension components (everything aside from springs and different shock valving).

-1/8 camber is not enough to be race springs. You should have at least -2 deg. camber on both sides. Either something is bent on both sides, or you have wrong control arms on both sides.

The only way I know of for there to be positive camber is for the LCA's to be too short of the UCA's to be too long.

And I would think if something were bent that much, there would be noticeable caster problems as well (wheel not sitting centered in the fender arch).
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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wouldn't the uca be the same for the eg's & dc ?
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 02:38 PM
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as far as I know they are.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 03:00 PM
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Also, if the subframe has been shifted, you will have uneven camber and/or caster.

If the car has hit a curb (or been hit) hard enough to bend something, I'd check to make certain that the subframe didn't move, in addition to checking the control arms and knuckles for bent components.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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im no body man, so would a shift be easily seen by the naked eye?
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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knuckles may not be easy to compare by the naked eye, but if you took off both control arms on each side, placed them against each other, you could probably see if one was different than the other.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 03:32 PM
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ok cool, soon as the other ones arrive i will compare both knuckles befor putting on the gsrs. i will also be installing a camber kit when i replace the knuckles, hopefully this will correct my issue
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