http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=127&a=1503

F20c vs F22c

 

Spoon S2K look familiar?

 

Good find, that was a good video.

But just for measure with some of you, this isn't a AP1 V AP2 video. It's an AP2 with f20 V AP2 with a f22.

 

ya i saw that too and was like wtf???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vollrathian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ya i saw that too and was like wtf??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Japan and Europe didn't get the 2.2L till recently.

 

I don't think 8 ft or torque or whatever it is, is enough of a difference to cause that much of a difference in launch and initial acceleration. I dunno...

 

how do they both start at the same time and the 2.2 win and the 2.0 have a faster time?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by envee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think 8 ft or torque or whatever it is, is enough of a difference to cause that much of a difference in launch and initial acceleration. I dunno...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Tsuchiya launched correctly in the f22...the other guy feathered the clutch a lot.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do they both start at the same time and the 2.2 win and the 2.0 have a faster time?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The 2.2l AP2's tranny has shorter ratio gearing than the 2.0l AP2 tranny. Through a certain part of the track this caused the car to be a tad slower due to more shifting. Not to mention Tsuchiya's wasn't using the greatest line around the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do they both start at the same time and the 2.2 win and the 2.0 have a faster time?</TD></TR></TABLE>
has to do with the def in redlines and tranny gearing.

 

I hate that video. Tsuchiya makes any car look good he is one of the best drivers in japan. They should have put him in the f20c powered ap2.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by envee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think 8 ft or torque or whatever it is, is enough of a difference to cause that much of a difference in launch and initial acceleration. I dunno...</TD></TR></TABLE>

8 pounds more tq , 9-10 more whp , shorter gearing = faster then your lame *** F20....... Just Kidding

But I wonder how the F22 would fair with the ap1 tranny ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a2delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But I wonder how the F22 would fair with the ap1 tranny ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Watch the other video with the Spoon S2K.

 

i think the ap2 transmission is better then the ap1 transmission. but, the ap1 differential is better then the ap2 diff.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CWESTINAP1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the ap2 transmission is better then the ap1 transmission. but, the ap1 differential is better then the ap2 diff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope. The AP2 diff housing is stronger.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Nope. The AP2 diff housing is stronger.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, it is the carrier end caps that are stronger. The housing is the same.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRbroham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Watch the other video with the Spoon S2K. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i know right...

man i love these CARS... they sound down right SEXY

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Nope. The AP2 diff housing is stronger.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im talking about the gearing for road racing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CWESTINAP1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im talking about the gearing for road racing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The gear sets in the diff are the same for both ap1 and ap2. The ratio difference is in the secondary reduction gear in the tranny.

 

great video!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by negcamber &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The gear sets in the diff are the same for both ap1 and ap2. The ratio difference is in the secondary reduction gear in the tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

from what i remember they are different, but i can't find my service manual to prove it. i could be wrong tho.

 

the diff gearing is the same in the ap1 and ap2. And the 1st 2nd 3rd gears in the ap2 tranny are shorter then the ones in the ap1. I could be wrong about the trannys but I know 100% that the diff gearing is the same 4.10.

 

Ap1
Final Drive - 4.1
1st - 3.133
2nd - 2.045
3rd - 1.481
4th - 1.161
5th - 0.971
6th - 0.811
R - 2.8

Total Gearing
1st - 14.900548
2nd - 9.72602
3rd - 7.043636
4th - 5.521716
5th - 4.618076
6th - 3.857116
R - 13.3168

Ap2
Final Drive - 4.1
1st - 3.133
2nd - 2.045
3rd - 1.481
4th - 1.161
5th - 0.943
6th - 0.765
R - 2.8

Total Gearing
1st - 15.4914318
2nd - 10.111707
3rd - 7.3229526
4th - 5.7406806
5th - 4.6627578
6th - 3.782619
R - 13.84488

 

f20c rulz, more revving more fun

 

ive watch these vidz about 5 times a day now aha