I know we are waiting for that K-pro or something like it to come out already for our FG2 and FA5's. I did some research on how much it gains and how much cash it takes for the Type-S. and the K-pro was a wopping $1125 dollars. A type-s that was well tuned only gave out freaking 20 WHP and WTQ with I/RH/E and new cams! How sad !! I really thought it was going to give out more than that!

I might wanna re think the N/A path i was planning on and look in towards boost. After Christmas i am gonna be finished with my I/RH/E set up for my car. Now i am looking to see whats going to be my next step as far as performance. I dont think its going to the reflash either. Hey we will see what santa is gonna bring me!

Who knows maybe the future k-pro will put out better numbers than the one for the Type S?

Modified by Blackline47 at 10:21 PM 12/8/2007


Modified by Blackline47 at 12:40 PM 12/11/2007

 

Boost FTW.

 

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with I/H/E + k-pro of course you're not going to get monster numbers dude. N/A is always more expsensive considering $ per Hp, but if you notice how many rsx's that are N/A and are hitting sub 13's in the 1/4 with under 300whp, it is amazing. That is compared to what is needed from boosted rsxs. Also for either N/A or boost you still NEED k-pro (or something very similar) anyways...

ps N/A is best

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blackline47 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know we are waiting for that K-pro or something like it to come out already for our FG2 and FA5's. I did some research on how much it gains and how much cash it takes for the Type-S. and the K-pro was a wopping $1125 dollars. A type-s that was well tuned only gave out freaking 20 WHP and WTQ! How sad !! I really thought it was going to give out more than that!

I might wanna re think the N/A path i was planning on and look in towards boost. After Christmas i am gonna be finished with my I/RH/E set up for my car. Now i am looking to see whats going to be my next step as far as performance. I dont think its going to the reflash either. Hey we will see what santa is gonna bring me!

Who knows maybe the future k-pro will put out better numbers than the one for the Type S?

Modified by Blackline47 at 10:21 PM 12/8/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
You do know that K-pro is a means of tuning, and not a power adder. If you go boost, you'll still need to tune your setup to make the most power and get it running safely. Not some bullshit piggyback crap. You obviously need to do some research making the statements like the one in bold above.

-Jalal

 

this thread brings the lolz...

 

Read much?

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You do know that K-pro is a means of tuning, and not a power adder. If you go boost, you'll still need to tune your setup to make the most power and get it running safely. Not some bullshit piggyback crap. You obviously need to do some research making the statements like the one in bold above.

-Jalal </TD></TR></TABLE>

[QUOTE=Blackline47]I know we are waiting for that K-pro or something like it to come out already for our FG2 and FA5's. I did some research on how much it gains and how much cash it takes for the Type-S. and the K-pro was a wopping $1125 dollars. A type-s that was well tuned only gave out freaking 20 WHP and WTQ! How sad !! I really thought it was going to give out more than that!

I might wanna re think the N/A path i was planning on and look in towards boost. After Christmas i am gonna be finished with my I/RH/E set up for my car. Now i am looking to see whats going to be my next step as far as performance. I dont think its going to the reflash either. Hey we will see what santa is gonna bring me!

Who knows maybe the future k-pro will put out better numbers than the one for the Type S?

Yes i know the K-Pro needs tuning buddy... thats why i said with a Well Tuned RSX....
duh?

 

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Yes i know the K-Pro needs tuning buddy... thats why i said with a Well Tuned RSX....
duh?



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Hes saying that Kpro is a means of tuning and yes it does need to be tuned after its purchased.

Like others have said.....I hope you know that you will still need kpro to really fine tune a forced induction application too.

20whp is pretty good for about $1100. Think about base turbo kits and S/C. They are giving out like 70whp, but they cost like $3500.


Modified by cnyej1 at 1:20 PM 12/9/2007

 

You apparently don't understand what K-pro does then. On a stock or near stock setup, it has a very low amount of gain as you can see. That's because the car is already well tuned for what it is. Likk others have said already, it's when you go to the big modifications and power-adders that your car needs help running right. Tuning it well will not only make sure your car is running SAFELY, but will also add lots of hp and tq, if your tuner does a good job.

 

So i guess no one knows when k-pro will be available for FG2 and FA5's roughly?
So far the reflash has been holding up pretty damn good, ain't it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by topendspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So i guess no one knows when k-pro will be available for FG2 and FA5's roughly?
So far the reflash has been holding up pretty damn good, ain't it? </TD></TR></TABLE>

All of the people i have talked to say its like driving a new car! I have not heard any complaints on it yet

 

You are leaving out one of the major components of the equation on NA power and that is camshafts. Making NA power goes way beyond the spectrum of just simple bolt ons. You are quite foolish in thinking that simple bolt ons and tuned Kpro will give your freakish power numbers. The way you talk its like you expected that an Intake, full exhuast and KPro was going to give you 250+ HP.

To get to 240-250 WHP you are going to have to toss in some cams. Anything then that more you are going to have to bump compression, and get more CFM out of your manifold and cylinder head at the machine shop and start thinking about adding some displacement.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blackline47 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the K-pro was a wopping $1125 dollars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What are you talking about? The retail cost for 2002-2004 RSX Kpro is $995, but who pays retail? The 2005-2006 RSX have to use a 2002-2004 ECU and use a conversion harness, these 2 items significantly increase the cost.

And tuning a Kpro ECU on a stock 2005-2005 RSX-S

VTEC was set at 4600 rpm
18 ft pounds torque gain at 2000 rpm
15 ft pounds gain at 5800 rpm and at 8000 rpm
16 hp peak gain, but 20 hp gain at 5800 and 8000 rpm

Only fools pay attention to peak numbers, look at the power band as a whole.


Modified by Kidnkorner at 5:12 PM 12/9/2007

 

Thats some deep sh*t right there bro
(Blackline47)

 

Wow this is an interesting thread. The K-pro is an amazing unit for tuning various applications of k series engines. The k20z3 does not apply obviously. It has already been said, the k-pro is going to allow you to dail in the proper tune, for cammed cars or F/I cars, this is were the gains start to be seen. If you put a k-pro on a bone stock rsx-s it may lose power. The reflash for the fg2/fa5 is a great alternative "tune" for cars that have the basic bolt ons I/H/E etc. There has eve been a few cars with tsx cams in them. XfactorwrX has pretty much every bolt on other than F/I on his fa5 with a reflash and has posted up 230+ whp with his v2 intake. This is proof that IF a tuning solution comes out for the z3 we will be able to see some excellent gains with various parts working together. Thats my two cents.

 

It is going to be at least another 6 months before we see anything else from Hondata, from what I heard. The good news is that 2 of the tuners at Hondata have new SI's.

I was hoping Hondata was going to have something sooner, at least a new reflash for the 2nd stage Comptech supercharger. However, from what my contacts tell me, it is not likely. I know Comptech has been pushing Hondata for this, but from what I heard, Hondata is not being very responsive. In fact, they will not even discussing any "future" tuning for the K20z3 on their forums.

Just got wait and see.

 

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its a pump gas, economy 4 cylinder. come on, how much NA power do you really think you can get out of it with bolt ons.?..

 

I bet we could see 230whp with a Good RH,E,I. Hondata got a 05 RSX with just an intake to 208whp. So I would think we could get to 230Whp. Get some cams and I think we could net 245whp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by swarm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you put a k-pro on a bone stock rsx-s it may lose power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kidnkorner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And tuning a Kpro ECU on a stock 2005-2006 RSX-S

VTEC was set at 4600 rpm
18 ft pounds torque gain at 2000 rpm
15 ft pounds gain at 5800 rpm and at 8000 rpm
16 hp peak gain, but 20 hp gain at 5800 and 8000 rpm </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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thats really pushing it

 

Really? if theres a guy (XFACTORWRX) on 8th gen getting near 232whp with:

06 TSX cams
NST pulleys,
P2R spacers and IMG
hondata reflash
ported DCRH
STOCK EXHAUST
with X intake version 1



I do not see a problem getting 245whp with some IPS or Toda cams, Buddyclub/Hytech RH, Intake, Catback, and Kpro.

 

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thats really pushing it</TD></TR></TABLE>

He meant with cams. I think it's certainly possible.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cnyej1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really? if theres a guy (XFACTORWRX) on 8th gen getting near 232whp with:

06 TSX cams
NST pulleys,
P2R spacers and IMG
hondata reflash
ported DCRH
STOCK EXHAUST
with X intake version 1



I do not see a problem getting 245whp with some IPS or Toda cams, Buddyclub/Hytech RH, Intake, Catback, and Kpro.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do know that a dynapack reads much higher than a dynojet right?

 

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You do know that a dynapack reads much higher than a dynojet right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I understand that. I didnt know we were going down that road too......fine then he is a making a solid 220whp. Is that better?

 

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You do know that a dynapack reads much higher than a dynojet right?</TD></TR></TABLE>


How do you know? Experience?

 

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How do you know? Experience? </TD></TR></TABLE>

dynapack: off the hub reading
dynojet: off the tire reading

dynojet = closer to real world

If we were measuring at the crank, then the numbers would be even higher.